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Looking for love: Lone gray wolf spotted in LA County may be first in SoCal in 100 years
The three-year-old female, known as BEY03F, was spotted on a trail camera in the mountains north of Santa Clarita.
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I saw my first one here in Klamath County last year. I've always got a coyote state of mind, and it took me a few seconds to cognate that "this coyote" was nearly as tall as a yearling deer. We looked at each other for about 5 seconds, and it decided to scoot but not in a big hurry.
We're getting a lot of em in the area, and a few close ones on the Kali side of the line. jd
We're getting a lot of em in the area, and a few close ones on the Kali side of the line. jd
“When your here… Your Home…”
Klamath used to be Kali country early on and now Humboldt for the most part and Klamath lives on in Ory-gun… {:~)
Strange that I own pet Wolf Hybrids
but wouldn't mind going to Idaho to hunt them
I don't seem to have that "Awww the poor things just leave them alone" mentality
After owning them, I know what they're capable of and totally understand culling larger populations.
The last pic, my higher percentage Wolf, notice the size of the trucker chain I have to use
I kept having to go to a bigger chain until I arrived at this size
she will break anything smaller
I once had her chained in my shop to a 1/2" eyebolt, she snapped it
(likely the chain was looped at the top and had enough leverage to snap at the point of attachment below
But Still,)
they are an explosively strong animal
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Good to own in the Mntns though, they're built for it
but wouldn't mind going to Idaho to hunt them
I don't seem to have that "Awww the poor things just leave them alone" mentality
After owning them, I know what they're capable of and totally understand culling larger populations.
The last pic, my higher percentage Wolf, notice the size of the trucker chain I have to use
I kept having to go to a bigger chain until I arrived at this size
she will break anything smaller
I once had her chained in my shop to a 1/2" eyebolt, she snapped it
(likely the chain was looped at the top and had enough leverage to snap at the point of attachment below
But Still,)
they are an explosively strong animal
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Good to own in the Mntns though, they're built for it
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They should plant a few from our pack in key locations like downtown L.A. and central park N.Y.. The dumb bastards that helped vote for the reintroductions in Yellowstone should have to deal with them as well. Now they bitch when they vacation here because the moose , elk and other animals they cames to see are gone. Then we pay the ranchers for everything they kill of theirs times ten. However we can shoot them on site if they are out of the designated area. Just don't chase them with a snowmobile. Run them over muzzle them and take them to your local bar to show off.
You ever wonder about the liability?
What does it mean that they are good to have in the mountains, they’re built for it? What are you using them for?
L.Sherm
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I have zero use for them mountains or otherwise.
I've seen first hand the impact they've had on our deer and elk herds since the so called "reintroduction"
If it doesn't have a collar, its just a big coyote.
old_heli_logger
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FMJ gutshot
No more liability than any other dog, Pitbulls, Wrots, Shepherds etc.
Anything that is beyond an F1, (First Generation Breeding)
is considered the same as a dog according to Laws
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Plus they don't just get to run around loose
One did get loose once, but she didnt do any damage to any other animals
They are more curious, like to investigate other dogs in the area,
They don't go looking to attack People, in other words and tend to shy away from people.
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Built for the Mtns means, They are built for cold weather, allthewhile their coat also protects them from the sun in hot weather.
Good outside animals, they have different body structure than domestic dogs
- More Enzymes vs Bacteria based digestion in the stomach
- You ever wonder how you see Wolves tracking animals in the snow and don't seem to mind at all???
The fat in their Paws is different for example and does not freeze or get frostbite, being more gristle like
- Their double coat , the inner is more like sheeps wool and is very hard for water to penetrate
- Their outer blood vessels don't constrict like a human, pulling heat away from the outer regions like a human does when it gets cold
- They keep circulating warm blood to all the outer regions of their body including their feet...
so do not get frostbite
even in -37F weather, even when simply laying down.
Their double coat is so well insulated,, they like to lay on top of the snow and sleep
They do not even melt the snow beneath them, (IE: very little heat loss)
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Domestic dogs lost a lot of these features through lack of necessity
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Since I live in the Mtns, where it snows, and have Big Cats and Bear coming through my front yard
A Wolf is my perfect animal to have as pets, protection, Early warning alert system.
One I have trained to be a Patrol Animal, to patrol the property with me, and she does that job very well
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They also, being more rooted to the origins of where a dog came from in the first place
Have stronger healthier Genes and do not have the problems associated with inbreeding,
or selective breeding such as:
- Cancer, Hip Displasia etc. and live to be at least 13 or 14 years still being energetic and able to run , jump in the truck etc.
Many Domestic breeds nowadays (Boxers, Shepherds, Labs etc) dont even make to 8 yrs before encountering these health problems associated with "Line Breeding"
It really sucks to put so much time, effort, and work into training one of your animals
only to have it soon die shortly after it is well trained.
Owning the origins of a dog, I dont have to deal with that
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Look at pictures of dogs such as Boxers, Shepherds of 100 years ago compared to now
Current breeds have departed so far from what they should be, they barely resemble the same animal.
Reintroducing the breed with its original DNA along the line (WOLF) would vastly help the breeds from all the Line Breeding that has happened (Line Breeding is selective Inbreeding)
I feel more bad for people who pick a breed where they have no choice but to end up with an animal that will not last 8 or 10 years before getting cancer and have to contend with that as well as the emotional trauma one gets from repeatedly having to endure it, for having no choice but to accept what they get.
Lets not even get into the Vet bills associated with that.
Out of 23 years of owning Wolf Hybrids, I have never once had to take one to the Vet, except for their periodic basic shots.
So yes, I chose a more Hearty Animal that can thrive in adverse conditions and live long healthy lives
If you lived in the desert, you might be better served to choose a Camel over a Horse, right?
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JEFFPPC
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Very informative.
Well I bet everyone stays in the vehicle when they blunder into your place. What’s the ups guy think? What are your wolves crossed with? Can you hang on to them if they decide to take off, if they straighten an eyebolt? I suppose they are pretty healthy. If they got on to the neighbors place I’m guessing they’d say that’s a wolf? Where do you buy a wolf? Interesting stuff. What elevation are you at, I know very little of Nevada. Thanks.
The other part is What is called a Tamaskan
A breed from Finland that is bred to look like a wolf by using various mixes of
Malamute, Samoyed, Alaskan Husky, Canadian Eskimo etc. with some Wolf generations back.
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As far as Holding on to them if they decide to take off, haha, it is all you can do to hold onto the chain with both hands...if you loose your footing hang on because you are going for a ride
Part of the training for them is simply teaching them the command STOP!
A reward for stopping, is they get to run around again, but if they STOP each time, they know they will get to run around again, so it becomes a learned behavior, --- lots of positive reinforcement.
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They are intimidating looking to most people, but like I say, they are primarily shy of humans and don't do much, (They are not an attack dog, and I would not train any of mine to become an attack dog either).
Mine will instantly key in on anything within 300 yards, so I use them as an alert animal. Where I then take one of them to go investigate, they will look in the direction of anything that is not suppose to be there.
Usually while remaining perfectly silent, THAT - is what I like. I don't like dogs that constantly bark.
Or worse, - alert another predator to my incoming presence.
If there is an intruder, I don't want to scare something off, I want to catch it in the act.
They are an animal that allows me to do my job.
For example: I had a lion on the property, one of them kept staring out one direction, sniffing the air then looking at me, then looking back at one certain direction, but remained totally silent. In a way they will point with their nose for you. Dogs (Wolves) are one of the only animals that understand pointing and will point as well, even monkeys and cats do not understand this and will look at your finger instead of the direction you are pointing. A Wolf understands where you point, and they can do the same.
If your wolf keeps looking in one direction, you might want to go investigate. With a gun.
They are also great with guns, they go shooting with me and lay in the back of the truck, not making a fuss whatsoever, they just nap 20 yds away from me. After they have been good, they know they get to come out when I'm finished and go explore.
A Wolf seems to respond to rewards "AFTER" a task has been completed
As opposed to rewarding them before or during. Treats do no good during training. Treats are for a job well done.
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With people they stick to their more wild roots and simply remain shy and observant, without being aggressive.
They do protect my truck fairly well when they are in the back though. Since the back of the truck is part of THEIR home. Usually with a staredown, they rarely make noise. When someone sees a Wolf staring at them, Silent, focused and its head lowered slightly, people steer clear.
--There are wolf breeders and even some sanctuaries that let you buy or adopt one.
I bought one from a Wolf breeder in Nv, and to dispell a myth of how nasty they are,
I asked the owner if I could go up to every Wolfdog she had there on the property, she said sure.
I took about an hour and stuck my hand through every single Wolfdog cage, which was 40 Wolfdogs.
a couple made some bluff charges at me, then turned away. A few put on a scene and Woofed and Howled.
But not one of them actually followed through and bit or attacked..
Lets say, "they CAN bite if you provoke them enough, but they don't usually because you're just not food"
Had I broke into their cage, that might be a different story, but they tend to shy away from people.
It is other dogs they don't like, they sense they are inferior to them in their DNA or something.
They take the same attitude a Wolf does toward a coyote.
Now a group of them, out in the wild, with pack mentality, takes on a whole different set of rules.
Even a group of domestic dogs in a pack is a dangerous thing.
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lawman29
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Not in Wyoming. The Wyoming Game & Fish statutes provide that it is illegal to own or import a wolf or wolf hybrid.
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