Wolves

[bluealtered]

A simple way to change how your wild life department works is to change your governor. Of course if you vote in another Dem governor you'll get more of the same.

 

[Patch 76]

A simple way to change how your wild life department works is to change your governor. Of course if you vote in another Dem governor you'll get more of the same.

Valid point, bluealtered

 

[Rick300]

I just got back from an Idaho Elk hunt. As with the last couple of years - VERY few elk as compared to just 4-5 years ago. Wolf tracks everywhere and what few small herds we saw, there were only one to two calves. The future isn't looking good for the deer and elk herds anywhere they reintroduced the non native grey wolf. Luckily, one of the hunters I was with was able to shoot a young wolf and he decided to open up the stomach to see what he had been feeding on. It was full of elk hair and bone chips. I just can't understand how these wacko's value the life of this predator over the lives of the deer and elk. The only logical answer I can come to is that it really is about eliminating hunting. I only wish they would be left out in the woods with their flowers and rainbows so they would find out what really happens when a wolf is hungry.

 

[Flouncer]

Wolves were not originally released in Idaho the Canadian wolf was released by Yellowstone park.

Wolves were released in Wyoming and others were released as I said in 1995 in Central Idaho. Separate populations at inception. https://idfg.idaho.gov/wildlife/wolf/recovery-reintroduction

 

[L.Sherm]

Wolves were released in Wyoming and others were released as I said in 1995 in Central Idaho. Separate populations at inception. https://idfg.idaho.gov/wildlife/wolf/recovery-reintroduction

It appears that I was originally wrong about were they were so- called reintroduced, at the time all I could remember was the debacle going on in yellowstone.
Doesn't matter now anyway there everywhere now, I can tell you one thing for sure there was a naturally occurring pack in N
W. Montana in 1992 I knew were there dens were and an ole rancher in Lost Prairie shot one for getting in his cattle so he called F@G to come and get because they were denying there were any then they finally admitted to knowing about them.

 

[bluealtered]

It is all about eliminating hunting and firearms ownership, always has been. "They" used to make that very plain at first but when no one paid attention to them using that format they switched to save the animals! Because Americans love their animals, and that was the "nich" that worked. The results are what we are dealing with now.

 

[Papa Charlie]

Man has a bad habit of thinking that they know better than Mother Nature and are constantly screwing things up in the name of conservation. The fact is that our government hires so called experts from colleges who grew up in cities and don't have a clue about how Natures system works.

In other words, they can screw up a wet dream without batting an eye lash. But some do that too.

 

[outasite`08]

I just got back from an Idaho Elk hunt. As with the last couple of years - VERY few elk as compared to just 4-5 years ago. Wolf tracks everywhere and what few small herds we saw, there were only one to two calves. The future isn't looking good for the deer and elk herds anywhere they reintroduced the non native grey wolf. Luckily, one of the hunters I was with was able to shoot a young wolf and he decided to open up the stomach to see what he had been feeding on. It was full of elk hair and bone chips. I just can't understand how these wacko's value the life of this predator over the lives of the deer and elk. The only logical answer I can come to is that it really is about eliminating hunting. I only wish they would be left out in the woods with their flowers and rainbows so they would find out what really happens when a wolf is hungry.

Hey Rick, I agree with your comments.Hunting has to go is their end game. On a side note; I can`t tell you how many times I have hit my PC screen to kill your fruit fly. We have a bad FF infestation here in Delaware this year so my reflexes are in tune to smash them.Your bug is the only one that doesn`t leave guts. Have a good one Jeff

 

[Flouncer]

It appears that I was originally wrong about were they were so- called reintroduced, at the time all I could remember was the debacle going on in yellowstone.
Doesn't matter now anyway there everywhere now, I can tell you one thing for sure there was a naturally occurring pack in N
W. Montana in 1992 I knew were there dens were and an ole rancher in Lost Prairie shot one for getting in his cattle so he called F@G to come and get because they were denying there were any then they finally admitted to knowing about them.

Yes the literature I cited has links and sources. It's informative if you have the time and patience. Wolves were extant in parts of Montana at the time of the reintroductions in Central Idaho and Yellowstone. reading between the lines it is simply amazing how fast and far they have spread. It is also typical for agencies to deny or fail to confirm predators if the sighting does not fit the dialogue. From what I read, Black bear and Cougar are the 1 and 2 mortality of Elk, and the calves being the most killed. Figure a Kitty eats at least a deer or elk every 10-14 days. 365/14 = 26 kills. That's a good sized herd of Mulies or even elk. In a similar fashion, A rancher I knew had Condors on his property hundreds of miles north of their "known" location. He kept his mouth shut for obvious reasons.

 

[wbm]

He kept his mouth shut for obvious reasons.

Heard that!

The year the "Red" Wolf was declared "extinct" in Arizona I was collecting their scat and measuring footprints. Also got laughed at when I reported a Jaguar in the Chiricahua Mountains. So I just kept things to myself from that point on.

 

[bluealtered]

"Reintroduction" is the catch word to imply that, that type of wolf was there before, which means "we are just helping mother nature get back to where it was before" nasty man removed them to "gasp" raise something for people to eat. In Oregon and most likely other states a different and larger wolf was brought in which is capable of much more damage to other wildlife than the other wolf was.

Just more B.S. from environmentalists who have learned that wonderful sounding lies to those in power will get them their way, just like your three year old child will push your buttons to get their way. The difference is that doing it the environmentalist way is killing 100,000's of animals every year in fires that the environmentalists are supposed to be trying to save. And not to mention causing tons of more garbage in our air hurting ever single person who has to breathe it.

Boy!, ... it's sure a good thing that we listened to you morons. O, ... wait its all the fault of global warming ... what do you stupid idiots think you just caused more of by not being able to think your way out of the dark spot behind the back side of your belt!

 

[wbm]

The above should be required reading! He is dead on correct. I won't go into detail but when this bs started decades ago I was officially involved in the "good idea/bad idea" phase of a lot of it. To be fair, a lot of natural resource management specialists and a few in USFWS said about wolf introduction..."this is a bad idea." With some exceptions we were right.

 

[AckleymanII]

As an avid predator hunter, I would change gears from hunting big game to wolves in a skinny minute.

Learn to howl, wounded deer distress, wounded goat, etc

Tricking an animal to hunt you, learning to outsmart their NOSE, eyes, and hearing is the best of the best as a hunting experience.

Challenging the Dominant male to come in and fight you is a trophy like no other!

Seeing the MURDER in their eyes when they come in, brands your memory of a killer.

 

[fourpower]

I had a chance yesterday to read a good write up in a magazine called Range, the current issue has a report on the results of Bruce Babbitt's bringing wolves to the west once again. No these aren't the smaller timber wolves that were at one time in the west, these are Canadian wolves which are much larger. The article goes into detail on what has happened since then using facts and figures gathered from the government agencies in charge of these programs.

I happen to live in one of areas in North East Oregon that has been hit hard by this. We were known for our world class elk and deer at one time, not anymore. Using Oregon Dept. of fish and wild life figures show that our elk, deer, and other game animals are down anywhere from 30 to 50% in some units. These figures are from 3-5 years ago so you can guess what they must be now. I have hunted and hiked and worked in these mountains for 40 years and and was able to see wolves five years before the ODFW was forced to admit that they were here.

This is just my personal observations and doesn't include any of the livestock lost to our ranchers and people who simply choose to live in the country. The two latest kills are two lamas that were pinned up next to the house that were sport kills by wolves, yes they kill for sport as well.

You might want to read that article when you get a chance, the magazine is Range and the article is Wolves, the war on the west. It is in the current issue and probably not on line yet.

I read all the things everybody said about wolves and now have to put in my 2 cents! I have lived in Oregon for 75 years and enjoyed hunting and fishing but not any more! I have hunted the same area in central Oregon all my life and didnt see any signs of wolves until 3 years ago! Last year i took 3 kids under my wing to show them how to hunt. We went into unit to scout for deer and ended up walking at least 5 miles a day for 6 days and there was no sign and only saw 1 deer. went back when season opened and hunted the entire season and only saw 3 does and only saw 1 buck that had been killed and it was a tiny spike. I went back to same area after first of year to take pictures and never saw a deer or deer track and only saw 1 antelope that was dead with wolves tracks everywhere. Ended up driving over 700 miles in what use to be Oregons prime hunting units and seen less then 20 deer and 15 antelope and the only ones we seen were close to peoples homes. We saw no coyote or cougar tracks anywhere but did see for my first time wolves tracks and on last day seen one run across road in front of us. Sorry to say but to much brush didnt get a shot. Sorry end to this story is all the kids i took out are not going to buy hunting licenses this year!

 

[Bc'z]

I read all the things everybody said about wolves and now have to put in my 2 cents! I have lived in Oregon for 75 years and enjoyed hunting and fishing but not any more! I have hunted the same area in central Oregon all my life and didnt see any signs of wolves until 3 years ago! Last year i took 3 kids under my wing to show them how to hunt. We went into unit to scout for deer and ended up walking at least 5 miles a day for 6 days and there was no sign and only saw 1 deer. went back when season opened and hunted the entire season and only saw 3 does and only saw 1 buck that had been killed and it was a tiny spike. I went back to same area after first of year to take pictures and never saw a deer or deer track and only saw 1 antelope that was dead with wolves tracks everywhere. Ended up driving over 700 miles in what use to be Oregons prime hunting units and seen less then 20 deer and 15 antelope and the only ones we seen were close to peoples homes. We saw no coyote or cougar tracks anywhere but did see for my first time wolves tracks and on last day seen one run across road in front of us. Sorry to say but to much brush didnt get a shot. Sorry end to this story is all the kids i took out are not going to buy hunting licenses this year!

Same story in the Prospect area that I've hunted deer and elk in the last 20 years.
In the last few years I've only saw an occasional doe, never see the big benchleg bucks I always saw in that area.
Haven't seen an elk in the area in quite some time.
What you do see is a whole lot of wolf tracks.
I believe there are still some game left in the woods there, but you got to hunt it hard to find anything.

 

[AckleymanII]

Dumb question, why don't you guys get into calling predators? Will be the thrill of a life time!

 

[Bc'z]

A few years back doing yearly reporting on hunter success ODFW had a identification exam of coyote/wolf, I should have read between the lines and missed more than 2.

Thinking back, it was about18-19 years ago I started hunting the Prospect area.
I was out off RedBlanket road during late season archery, when I saw what I believed to be the biggest coyote I'd ever saw.
I now believe it was 0R7 and not a coyote at all.

 

[10XSHOOTER]

Kill them all, Let God sort them out. Wolves that is!

 

[284winner]

Everything needs to be managed. Especially predators.

 

[AckleymanII]

Fish and Game in various states have put out reports that population levels of coyotes have to be reduced by 75% each year for the population to remain stable, this may also apply to wolves.

So, when the deer and elk population are reduced even further, what is next on the food chain, cattle, children? Wolves will adapt!