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Hunting range limit

ELR and L Sherm make excellent points…they prepare and practice at that range and are proficient. ELR’s video is spot on. The gentleman shooting is probably capable of killing game out to 200-300 yards consistently. He freely admits 500 is not his normal range. The concerning part is that he’d take the shot if it’s a big deer. There’s a world of difference between that guy shooting at long range and many of the excellent shooters on this forum. When I’m “hunting” my preference is a bow and 90% of my shots are under 20 steps. That gets me pumped up. Most of the time when I’m rifle hunting I’m doing damage control or “extermination” for a farmer. We help a farmer that had 180,000 in damage last year from deer. He’d prefer us to gut shoot them in the summer so they’d run off and die. I’m not that mad at anything. We did take over 50 off 2 fields this past year (hunting season). These are large agriculture fields and you can see deer over 1,000 yards away. Most of my shots were between 350-550 yards. My longest shot was 818….all were does. Did not lose a single deer. We have taken some large bucks off this place over the years but I’ve never attempted a shot on a buck over 500 yards. The neighbor has a range with steel targets every 100 yards out to 1000 so we can practice at long range to confirm DOPE settings. At the end of the day, if everyone shot within their proven capabilities it would not be an issue.
 
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So, if I am on a boat in 200 feet of water in the ocean and I am trolling a big fake pink swimmy thing to raise a marlin that will hit my tossed real bait am I fishing?

If I have cane pole, a bobber, a red wiggler and a sunny nibbling, am I fishing?

If I am floating a dry to a native brookie using a two weight, am I fishing?

If I am standing in the bow of a boat, releasing an arrow at a silver carp, am I fishing?

If I have a big net and a guy on the beach says, Hey, toss that net on the other side of the boat, am I fishing?

Ok...Yep, I am fishing. Good to know.

So don't tell me I am not hunting if I am not doing it your way.
 
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So, this last Thursday, me and a bro spent the morning at the range working with his 7-08. We were finally leaving just as another guy was arriving, and he was carrying in a bunch (like maybe 5) rifles along with bench gear and -- the works.

So I says, " Looks like you're gonna be busy".
And he says, "I've gotta get these ready to fill like 9 tags in the next couple months".

I was astounded, and asked how he had that many tags, and he explained that they were tags of his "clients". -- Two sheep, and the rest elk.

I didn't want to waste his time, but I'd be interested to know if he's doing his client's practice for them. ;) jd
 
It basically comes down to the skill of the shooter. Period. One person struggles at 100 and another has a chip shot at 500. Just comes down to how much time each person invests in their craft. The person that hunts 2 weeks total out of the year, is by far the most likely to wound the animal. Seen it many times. A 500 yd shot is many times more ethical than a 100 yd shot with a novice shooter. Sad but true. Don't be that person.
Paul
 
It basically comes down to the skill of the shooter. Period. One person struggles at 100 and another has a chip shot at 500. Just comes down to how much time each person invests in their craft. The person that hunts 2 weeks total out of the year, is by far the most likely to wound the animal. Seen it many times. A 500 yd shot is many times more ethical than a 100 yd shot with a novice shooter. Sad but true. Don't be that person.
Paul

^^^^^^^^^^Bingo right here, right here, right here!
 
Don't know----BUTTTTT. Shooting at an animal at 700 yds, IS NOT HUNTING !!!
Well, I guess we could always use the "ol Indian Wolf trick"
, and center up on the poor fuzzy defenseless animal
and take it out from a paltry 50 yds so it has no chance in hell what so freakin ever
That make ya feel better?
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At least from 700 yds it might stand some sort of a chance
not from me mind you
but from some people, maybe
 

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If your hunting for survival, and have practice and capabilities and no other choice.
Trophy hunting, ego hunting, YouTube hunting, long range bragging etc. If your life doesn't depend on making a killing shot for your survival, you shouldn't take it. Irregardless of range, animal running, vision etc.
Shooting an animal, wounding it and not caring its suffering because it's suffering and not you.
Just so you know, you're a piss poor member of the human race if that's how you hunt. Maybe your death will have the sufferings some deal out.
We need a better world, better people not another day of the same ol'........
 
If your hunting for survival, and have practice and capabilities and no other choice.
Trophy hunting, ego hunting, YouTube hunting, long range bragging etc. If your life doesn't depend on making a killing shot for your survival, you shouldn't take it. Irregardless of range, animal running, vision etc.
Shooting an animal, wounding it and not caring its suffering because it's suffering and not you.
Just so you know, you're a piss poor member of the human race if that's how you hunt. Maybe your death will have the sufferings some deal out.
We need a better world, better people not another day of the same ol'........
AMEN !!!!
 
So don't tell me I am not hunting if I am not doing it your way.

Amen.

Most here won't remember it, but it wasn't that long ago that some people condemned monofilament fishing line -- I think it was Minnesota that wanted to outlaw it -- because they considered it "unsporting" or "unfair" because it supposedly gave anglers too much of an advantage over fish.

As others have pointed out, the whole notion of so-called "fair chase" is a misnomer unless and until both parties -- the predator and the prey -- agree on what's "fair." But since no prey species would ever agree to be hunted, let alone killed, no form of hunting (or fishing) can truly be called "fair." So there's no such thing as "fair chase," there never was, and there never will be. So let's just dispense with that loaded and bogus term right now.

No matter what anyone says, any and every form of hunting is predation, end of story. It's one species killing another. And every form of hunting by humans lies somewhere on a spectrum between "sporting" at one end of the spectrum and "humane" at the other end of the spectrum. Or, to flip those terms on their heads, the spectrum would go from "unsporting" on one end, to "inhumane" on the other end.

For maximum "sport," I guess we could climb up into a tree wearing a buckskin loincloth with a hand-flaked clovis point clenched in our teeth, and wait until a deer passed beneath us, then jump from the tree onto the back of the deer where we would cut its throat. Or we could throw rocks down at deer from atop a cliff. Plenty "sporting," because these methods would give the deer the greatest opportunity for escape. Ethical? Not so much, since many deer would surely escape wounded, and many would be crippled or hurt needlessly. Bowhunters like to flex their "sporting" cred, but I wonder what percentage of the animals they arrow end up dying in pain versus what percentage of the deer hit with a 270 don't expire on the spot. And I suspect that a lot of the same people who condemn long-range hunting, or want to dictate to others what range is "acceptable" to shoot at game animals -- are the same people who want to ban bowhunting, if not all hunting, and for the same reasons.

At the other end of the spectrum would be the most "ethical" or "humane" way of killing animals, with the least likelihood of wounding or hurting them. I guess a slaughterhouse with a guy using a pneumatic bolt gun to the forehead would top that list, but a close runner-up would probably be jacklighting deer over bait at short range with CF rifles. Or catching them in neck-breaking snares or giant conibears. Or shooting them with miniguns from helicopters. Since nearly 100% of the deer killed would never even hear the gun go off, and the % wounded would be darn near zero, this would be a humane method of killing them. But would it be "sporting"? Not so much.

Bottom line: There's no black and white in this debate, just infinitely many shades of gray.
And we all have to decide for ourselves what is and isn't ethical, and what is and isn't "sporting."
But it's always been that way. It's one of the most defining characteristics of the pursuit of hunting.

And the whole thing is full of contradictions.
For example, I'd shoot at coyotes at 750 yards -- but for deer, I'd consider that range unethical.
Why is what's unethical for one species ethical for another?
I'd shoot coyotes at night over lights or with a thermal scope -- but for deer, I'd consider that unsporting.
Why is a method "sporting" for one species but "unsporting" for another?
If bait is fine for fishing -- or bear hunting -- why is it so terrible for doves or ducks?
Fish and game authorities define the laws, but I suspect they base those laws a heck of a lot more on "how effective" the method is -- and how many animals they want to see taken -- than on how "ethical" or "sporting" those methods may or may not be.
Not everything legal is necessarily "sporting" or "ethical" ... and vice versa.
In the end it's all predation. In the end it's all killing. The rest is just talk.

A lot of these debates amount to distinctions without a difference, and many are intended to get us fighting among ourselves instead of uniting against the enemies we all share. They do the same with gun control, decade after decade. Result: The Fudds hate the Blackgunners hate the GunGolfers hate the ConcealedCarriers and everybody loses except those who want to take them all away from all of us.

As Rodney King once said, "Can't we all just get along?"
 
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