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450 Bushmaster fot Hunting -- AR or Bolt Action?

I bought one in a Mossberg bolt action. Why Mossberg, no muzzle brake and no magazine hanging out. I then found an article written by one of the men who developed the cartridge. It says the case was designed for and to operate in the 60,000 psi range but all the factory ammo,was in the 38,000 to 40,0000 psi range. Perhaps due to ARs? So I raised my MV over 200 fps while still loading well under 60,000 psi and cut my 100 yard groups in half and 200 yd groups even more. Considering that, you might want a bolt gun. Though I must say, I ended up getting a brake, it kills on both ends, lol.
 
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I only single load while hunting, unless hunting in grizzly country, so I would choose a bolt action. Bolts have fewer moving parts and I find that I can shoot bolts better than ARs out of difficult shooting positions. Difficult positions seem to define many of the positions I have to shoot from while hunting, but that is probably just me.

Just my thoughts and your results may be different.
 
I need to get a 450 Bushmaster for deer hunting in Ohio. I am leaning towards a Ruger AR but is there any reason that a bolt rifle would serve me better? And if so, which one? I would put a 1X-6X FFP scope on it.

My max range would be limited to 250 yards. At that distance the bullet is dropping 2.4" every 10 yards. In addition, I am not expecting the rifle to be better than 2 moa. So between ranging accurately (and deer moving a little after ranging) and rifle accuracy I would expect 250 yards to be the limit for reliable (95%) cold bore shots within a 6" circle.
Check with the Ohio Dept of Wildlife online. I believe semi-auto's are illegle for deer hunting in Ohio.
 
Either an AR or bolt would likely be able to meet your accuracy needs. Would be able to load a bit hotter in theory in the bolt, but it isn't that significant of a difference as one would think.

Ruger has done a good job with both their AR and bolt gun in 450 and would probably be my first choice. I have had good luck with both.

As for the cartridge itself - well it just plain works. I watched a friend of mine with a 450 BM AR down 2 good sized hogs (200+ lbs) in rapid succession with single neck and shoulder shots... There were no runners. For short range hunting it is without question the equal of many rifle cartridges.
 
I did one in an ar, with a binary … talk about stupid fun. I did reloads with 250gn hard cast using gas checks, lilgun, and star line brass. It’ll drop a hog like a sack of potatoes. I was able to get the groups to an inch at 100 while feeding from a mag.
 
I don't know if you ever hunted with an AR type of rifle, I personally don't like it. I feel more comfortable hunting with a bolt/lever action. AR's are very fun to shoot just not fun to carry in the woods for me. I carry my hunting rifles like I carry a shotgun while bird hunting and an AR just doesn't carry as well for me. My hand gravitates to the action area when walking and the AR has a big magwell right in the sweat spot. Some people like hunting with an AR.

just my 2 cents
Mike
 
If you are reloading the bolt will be better for hunting. The big bore ARs put a lot of strain on a bolt designed for a 223 cartridge. Reloading of big bores in a AR Tends to be for lower velocity Subsonic vs max performance. There is a lot more metal in a bolt gun to accommodate the pressure, and ARs are susceptible to bolt damage from higher pressures.

I shoot a 458 SOCOM in an AR, there Is a universal warning not to push things.

I like the SOCOM for the bullet selection in heavier bullets, but then 450 lets you pick 45 pistol bullets in the lighter range. For hunting I’d definitely go bolt gun with a 16 to 18 inch barrel.
 
I guess there are a couple of reasons I am leaning towards an AR:
- 450 Bushmaster not really what I want in a bolt gun. I use bolt guns for 600 to 1000 yards, not 250.
- I like telling the anti-gun crowd that I took a deer w/ an AR (like the antelope I took w/ an AR-10 in 308)
- ARs are generally very accurate. The antelope in the pic was taken w/ a Sig 716DMR at 450 yards
- Get one more AR in the safe...

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I'm not really concerned about fast follow up shots - to me its all about shot placement (one shot, one kill). Also not too concerned about COAL, max. velocity, etc. Once I get consistent velocity I can lasor range & dial in the right dope.
 
Arkansas passed straight wall cartridge for use in muzzle loader season. But can only be a bolt or single shot rifle. I have been looking at the Ruger Gen 2 450 bushmaster. And top it with a Leupold freedom 3x9x40mm 450 bushmaster scope.
 
One of my favorite manufacturers makes an AR in .450 Bush Master. The Windham Weaponry 450 Thumper, from the factory has a Magpul PRS Gen III adjustable stock. Now the part number is R16SFSL-450,.

Their barrels are 4150M Chrom Moly and put up with all kinds of abuse. I have their AR-10, the R16SFST-308 and changed that to have a rifle tube and the Magpul PRS Gen III stock. That one could be a hog hunter.

I also have their Dissipator M4 A3 in 5.56. Fresh out of the box after transfer, drive it like I stole it. First shot, dead on the nut at 25 yards. Factory had it set up with iron sights and a combat zero. It still has iron sights.
 
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Arkansas passed straight wall cartridge for use in muzzle loader season. But can only be a bolt or single shot rifle. I have been looking at the Ruger Gen 2 450 bushmaster. And top it with a Leupold freedom 3x9x40mm 450 bushmaster scope.
Each state has their version of goof rifle laws. PA can hunt w/ bottleneck but no semi-autos. OH can hunt w/ semi-autos but no bottlenecks or straight wall cartridges w/ case longer than 1.9". Does Arkansas allow any semi rifles?
 
I have a Pedersoli 1886 lever in 45/70 for straight wall hunting, shooting 405gr hard cast, but it's long and heavy.
Built a 450 BM and found I love it. 7# with glass, and easy to carry in the field.
It is true that the mag is in the sweet spot for hand carry, which is the only detractor.
I wound up adding an adjustable gas block and a MB, and it's Thor's hammer but the recoil is like a staple gun. Easily 1-1/2 MOA using Hornady Black ammo.
I started reloading for it. Hornady wants stupid money for their polymer tipped bullets.
I found 250gr HP bullets for 1/2 the price, but haven't shot any yet.
 
I have a Pedersoli 1886 lever in 45/70 for straight wall hunting, shooting 405gr hard cast, but it's long and heavy.
Built a 450 BM and found I love it. 7# with glass, and easy to carry in the field.
It is true that the mag is in the sweet spot for hand carry, which is the only detractor.
I wound up adding an adjustable gas block and a MB, and it's Thor's hammer but the recoil is like a staple gun. Easily 1-1/2 MOA using Hornady Black ammo.
I started reloading for it. Hornady wants stupid money for their polymer tipped bullets.
I found 250gr HP bullets for 1/2 the price, but haven't shot any yet.
you will be happy with the polymer tip (250 gr) bullets and lots of little gun powder (37 gr),,,mine groups near 1",,,,Roger
 
Each state has their version of goof rifle laws. PA can hunt w/ bottleneck but no semi-autos. OH can hunt w/ semi-autos but no bottlenecks or straight wall cartridges w/ case longer than 1.9". Does Arkansas allow any semi rifles?
Don't get me started.

30-30 isn't legal for deer in Iowa but a 50bmg is.

For safety.
 
CVA Cascade XT Hillside camo 450bm 22" fluted barrel rifle with Bearcreekballistics.com ammo. Submoa rifle and ammo tested out to 300yds on SMT E targets. For bolt guns 240HV@2590fps, 200HV@ 2800fps. Cnc copper alloy bullet 100 wt retention. Mushrooms to .802 expansion 24" penetration in ballistic gel. BCB bullets expand/mushroom down to 1150fps- Hornady and Barnes only 1800fps. Five Illinois whitetails DRT, good blood trail, travelled 20yds. BCB articles in Illinois Shooter Newspaper last year and 2 articles Fall edition. Accuracy and performance. All one shot harvest. 200yd heart shot on one deer.
 

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I like the idea of bolt carbine in 450BM, it would be a stopper for sure. I would really rethink the ffp 1-6 scope. Your basically building a short range stopper not a precision target gun. Fast acquisition in early mornings and evenings would be better important to me with that type of rifle. So for me a large bold reticle and huge FOV, having a ffp scope is contradictory to that With the ffp scope the reticle appears to shrink as the power lowers(FOV) increases. You really don't need the ranging capabilities of the ffp scope.

I have only one ffp scope that actually works for low light short range work and is a Meopta Artimis 1.5-6x40mm with a large German #1 reticle that even as it appears to shrink it is still usable. My 2.5-8 ffp scope has a tapered reticle and at 2.5x it is out of the low light game..

My recommendation is to look at what is being used on DGRs. A Leupold VX-3 1.5-5 with a heavy duplex would be ideal. I have a couple Leupold Freedom 1.5-4s on coyote calling rifles that work well.
 
I think it depends on your specific needs. Bolt gun is going to be lighter to carry around, and likely tends to be a little more accurate. AR gives a faster follow up shot, but is heavier to carry around. With 1-6 magnification, I don't think accuracy will be a relevant topic of discussion, so just depends on how much weight you want to carry around vs how fast you want to be able to take a follow up shot. Personally, based on the trajectory, I think the 450 BM is more of a 200 yds deer cartridge.

I don't own, and haven't used a 450 BM, but based on the information above, I'd say that the terminal performance is EXTREMELY similar to my Savage 10ML-II muzzleloader which I used exclusively during firearms and ML season in Indiana for over 15 years and normally took 2 or 3 deer with it every year. I started off shooting 250gr SSTs over 2600 fps. I don't recall the load data off the top of my head. I took deer anywhere from under 10 yds to just over 200. I never had an exit wound while aiming at the boiler room. What was left of the bullet was ALWAYS laying under the hide on the far side. Meat damage was excessive, but I was younger then and didn't care because the deer were plentiful. I normally lost at least 1 front shoulder and most of the meat on one side of the rib cage. I don't have an accurate way to describe what the inside of the chest cavity looked like. The closest I cold come is that it looks like a prairie dog was hit by something running 4000 fps, but the PD had Kevlar skin that didn't allow it to be blown apart. Around 2009 I switched to a 300 gr SST over a stout charge of RL7 for 2450 fps. After that, I always got an exit wound, and the meat damage was still excessive. You could usually drop a baseball in the entry wound. It would take a large part of 3 or 3 ribs with it on the way in. Exit wounds were always bigger than a golf ball, and always took out at least 1 rib. I did a lot of ballistic testing and found that at those speeds, most 250gr cup and core bullets did not produce a straight wound channel. The were prone to veering off course, presumably because they had completely flattened out. Many times I would have to repeat tests because the projectile would exit the side of the ballistic gel. The exception to this were the Barnes 245gr monolithic projectiles. They did not over expand, and they always produced a straight wound path. Conversely, all of the 300 gr projectiles I tested also produce a straight wound channel. Prior to buying my Savage in 2003, I had used an Encore with some pure lead (ie soft) conical, and they did some weird things on impact, often taking a hard turn to the right or left when striking a rib or shoulder. After seeing something similar with my Savage and the 250gr bullets, I switched to 300 gr and never looked back.

A few years after Indiana legalized rifles for deer hunting, I bought a 6.5 Grendel upper. I still use the Savage during ML season, but the Grendel kills them VERY dead and I don't loose nearly as much meat. If I had to use a straight walled cartridge, I'd probably use a 350 Legend instead because I think the terminal performance would be more appropriate for deer size game.

These were my results with a slightly different cartridge, so your mileage may vary.
 

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