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[Webster]

I would have to disagree aggregates in the ones are a fairly regular occurance with 1st 2nd and third places being in the ones

Then you shoot the agg Killing!! .4 on a reverse

I believe about 5 5 shot groups were shot at 100 yards in the the 1's. I was taking about aggregate groups. Not a few individual targets.


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[Schippergreg]

I believe about 5 5 shot groups were shot at 100 yards in the the 1's. I was taking about aggregate groups. Not a few individual targets.


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Here’s the day before. It’s very condition dependent. In mild consistent winds the good guns really shine. In the tougher conditions the one who reads the wind best usually shines.

 

[Tim Singleton]

I believe about 5 5 shot groups were shot at 100 yards in the the 1's. I was taking about aggregate groups. Not a few individual targets.


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If you look at the pictures I posted they were of 5-5 shot group aggs for Light varmint and heavy varmint with teen aggs
One having teen aggs all the way to third place

 

[Tim Singleton]

It is tough to accomplish a teen 5 shot aggregate. But it does happens on a fairly regular basis these days the competition is tougher and tougher

 

[dstoenner]

From 200 to 300 is a different world!

From 600 to 1000 is like outer space. But it is fun

 

[Dave Way]

When I have a rifle tuned for a match whether it’s 300 meters, 600 yards or 1,000 yards it will always shoot in the ones or maybe twos at 100. The interesting thing is just because you have a load tuned at 100 does not mean it will group at the longer distances. Load development needs to be done at the expected distance you will be shooting if at all possible.

Dave.

 

[ELR LVR]

6br 105 class bullet. If you are looking to shoot a inch or less off the bench at 300, what would you expect at 100 if that's all the yardage you have to practice?
ty Don

Something like the 1st Pic for 5 rounds
Something like the 2nd pic for less than 5 rounds
2nd pic, shot 3 shot group
---went out and shot 600 yard groups
Drove back, reset up at 100 on same target to check consistency after shooting at 600,
readjusted scope for 100
Put a 4th round round into the same group
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Consistency is key, it needs to do it day in and day out

 

[boltfluter]

When I have a rifle tuned for a match whether it’s 300 meters, 600 yards or 1,000 yards it will always shoot in the ones or maybe twos at 100. The interesting thing is just because you have a load tuned at 100 does not mean it will group at the longer distances. Load development needs to be done at the expected distance you will be shooting if at all possible.

Dave.

This is some very good advice!
Paul

 

[JT27]

Shot this little gem (for me anyway) the other day @100. Took it out to 200 and couldn’t do better than 3/4”, with a couple of groups over 1”.

From 200 to 300 is a different world!

 

[ELR LVR]

When I have a rifle tuned for a match whether it’s 300 meters, 600 yards or 1,000 yards it will always shoot in the ones or maybe twos at 100. The interesting thing is just because you have a load tuned at 100 does not mean it will group at the longer distances. Load development needs to be done at the expected distance you will be shooting if at all possible.

Dave.

True that, most of my LR load development actually starts at 600
I dont even fool around at 300
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100 yds is more or less just to set the zero on the scope
and see if it is at least grouping there first, not many of my shots are taken at 100

 

[Link]

Something like the 1st Pic for 5 rounds
Something like the 2nd pic for less than 5 rounds
2nd pic, shot 3 shot group
---went out and shot 600 yard groups
Drove back, reset up at 100 on same target to check consistency after shooting at 600,
readjusted scope for 100
Put a 4th round round into the same group
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Consistency is key, it needs to do it day in and day out

Is that note .108 jump from touching>?

 

[ELR LVR]

Is that note .108 jump from touching>?

Lol YES! It is a 220 Swift AI that I built on a Win 70 L/A
The main bullet it shoots is the long 85.5 Berger
But JLK's are some awesome bullets (back in the day anyway)
So .108" off the lands is where they ended up being
(Used same comparator seating depth as the 85.5's) since I could not poke them out far enough to touch the lands and still be in the neck.
This should also prove that once a seating depth is found on the Ogive...
...that seating by measuring where the Ogive touches using any other bullet should be seated to this same meaurement.
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Funny when I shot that group testing, some old man was at the range and said
"You only hit the paper once?"
I just looked at him and shook my head and packed up and din't even stop to explain.
(I shot my test group and it shot well so was done anyway)
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I have some good info where Berger conducted some seating depth testing and found there can be more than 1 node ....within about a 0.140" window
Meaning anywhere from touching to 0.140" off the lands, this test proved that to me as well
but I try to stay within .040" off or closer...or even jammed if I can
it's just too weird a concept for me to seat a bullet that far off.
But, it can be done I guess if there is no other option such as in this case (bullet too short for the freebore)
I have no other gun that can shoot the JLK 65's so figured I'd test them in this rig.
And I am not gonna waste that kind of bullet in an AR
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Here is a 3 shot test group at 580 yds with 85.5 Bergers (1.25")
I have used this gun to teach people how to shoot at 600, like 13 yr old girls even
Just to boost their confidence and show them it's possible, they hit every time.
I also use it to let my buddies make first round hits at 600, to show them its their equipment why they cant hit, not so much the shooter. Then they start to understand where they need to put their money.
Starting with the barrel first.
It likes the 80 JLK's Juuuuust a touch better, but the berger 85.5 is the only bullet that shot close enough and was almost interchangeable.

 

[K22]

About a month ago my 30BR was agging in the mid to high ones at 100 yds. when I shot this group at 300 yds. over at SVT_Tacticals range. We had mostly head wind but minimal cross wind as well.

Wow!

 

[K22]

I am impressed with the groups posted by fellow members. Not only with the equipment and loads, but the shooter consistency that is needed to shoot those kinds of groups.

I do not shoot off the bench unless doing load development and / or initial sight in of a scope. Almost all my range shooting is off cross sticks at 100 and 200 yards since that is the longest distance I can shoot at the clubs where I belong.

But I've done some "target" shooting in the field (farms) at 300 yards and beyond off cross sticks. From my experience, going from 200 to 300 yards is a different world especially with no overhead cover and the environmental effects in the field. Of course, all I am trying to do is keep my shots in a 3 x 5 area to simulate the vital area of a ground hog or predator, but the difficulty significantly increases going from 200 yards to 300 yards in my experience.

I am not an experienced bench shooter but based on my experiences, I still believe if you want to be a proficient 300 yards shooter (after you found a precise load) then shoot at 300 yards. This way you will know your capability without extrapolating from a shorter distance.

 

[Link]

Lol YES! It is a 220 Swift AI that I built on a Win 70 L/A
The main bullet it shoots is the long 85.5 Berger
But JLK's are some awesome bullets (back in the day anyway)
So .108" off the lands is where they ended up being
(Used same comparator seating depth as the 85.5's) since I could not poke them out far enough to touch the lands and still be in the neck.
This should also prove that once a seating depth is found on
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I made a mistake and seated some of my 68s in my 6ppc .060 off. It was the best shooting load I have ever had. .1s and 2s consistantly. [sp] lol

 

[6BRA]

Shot this little gem (for me anyway) the other day @100. Took it out to 200 and couldn’t do better than 3/4”, with a couple of groups over 1”.

Middletown or MRPC? When shot 200 were you using flags?

 

[JT27]

Middletown or MRPC? When shot 200 were you using flags?

MRPC. No flags. Shot at the benchrest range. No wind to speak of, especially tucked in back there.

 

[Owens85]

I believe about 5 5 shot groups were shot at 100 yards in the the 1's. I was taking about aggregate groups. Not a few individual targets.


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Here's a few that was shot today as well. Jeff's was a super small agg. So id say it can be done lol.

 

[Tim Singleton]

Here's a few that was shot today as well. Jeff's was a super small agg. So id say it can be done lol.

Wow! That 13 is strong!
If the scoring holds that will be a new record

 

[Owens85]

I believe about 5 5 shot groups were shot at 100 yards in the the 1's. I was taking about aggregate groups. Not a few individual targets.


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Here's a few that was shot today as well. Jeff's was a super small agg. So id say it can be done lol.

91 times is what i count for .1's or less in first day of that match