group size

[Owens85]

Yeah your not going to get it shooting in the .3's at 100 you need to be consistently in the low to mid .1's at 100 to get consistent sub 1 inch groups at 300. Many variables once shooting past 100.

 

[Bc'z]

Yeah your not going to get it shooting in the .3's at 100 you need to be consistently in the low to mid .1's at 100 to get consistent sub 1 inch groups at 300. Many variables once shooting past 100.

When I'm testing and shooting in the .1's, I forward pictures of targets to our gunsmith and tell him it's still not a zero.
Lol

 

[Webster]

Yeah your not going to get it shooting in the .3's at 100 you need to be consistently in the low to mid .1's at 100 to get consistent sub 1 inch groups at 300. Many variables once shooting past 100.

No-one shoots aggregates in the 1's. Speedy Gonzales wins aggregates at National events shooting around .200" and .225" for an average of 5 groups. 10 groups for a 100 & 200 agg.

 

[Kracken McGraw]

When I'm testing and shooting in the .1's, I forward pictures of targets to our gunsmith and tell him it's still not a zero.
Lol

Remember Brett, it’s a team event.

 

[Owens85]

No-one shoots aggregates in the 1's. Speedy Gonzales wins aggregates at National events shooting around .200" and .225" for an average of 5 groups. 10 groups for a 100 & 200 agg.

Well I can tell you this much when I left for the tack driver last year my gun was pretty consistently shooting in the .1's . It ended up doing pretty good in orangeburg. FWIW .

 

[Owens85]

When I'm testing and shooting in the .1's, I forward pictures of targets to our gunsmith and tell him it's still not a zero.
Lol

Lol. I like that .

 

[M-61]

you need to be consistently in the low to mid .1's

I guess the relative word is ‘consistently’
Usually I shoot 5 five shot groups.
Are there days when not one of those groups is in the 1’s? Yeah, you bet. So consistently? Nope. If I have one group in the 1’s I’m smiling going home. Are the other groups a nightmare? No. But they are not in the 1’s.

 

[Ccrider]

No-one shoots aggregates in the 1's. Speedy Gonzales wins aggregates at National events shooting around .200" and .225" for an average of 5 groups. 10 groups for a 100 & 200 agg.

Yes. It is amazing how many people are saying 0s and .1s at 100. Guess I need to spend a lots more time on the bench. I have to work hard and have everything tuned right to agg that low with a ppc or 30br in relatively calm or consistent conditions.

I am happy with a solid tune at or below .2 at 100 and have seen this hold when extended to 200-600 with a dasher or 6bra. Not always, but usually.

A Dasher or 6bra agging .25 or better will agg under an inch at 300. Agging under an inch in favorable conditions is not difficult with a 6bra or dasher tuned and shooting .25 inch at 100.

 

[Link]

When I said a 105 gr class bullet I thought the boat tail would come into effect, being FB is to be more accurate at 100 yd so some say. ? How many test at 100 for further out - Just to eliminate conditions.?

 

[Owens85]

I guess the relative word is ‘consistently’
Usually I shoot 5 five shot groups.
Are there days when not one of those groups is in the 1’s? Yeah, you bet. So consistently? Nope. If I have one group in the 1’s I’m smiling going home. Are the other groups a nightmare? No. But they are not in the 1’s.

Guess I should have added in good readable conditions. Can you shoot sub one inch groups shooting in the .2's or .3's sure you can. But when the conditions get bad that extra tune will help. I usually shoot 3 shot groups and look for them to over lay. Not all barrels are created equally some barrels just won't do it. This is a day of tuning a good bra barrel at 100 yards using 3 shot groups then seating using 3 shot groups. It works for me. And yeah maybe the groups are off a couple thousands one way or another but you get the jest.

 

[Tim Singleton]

No-one shoots aggregates in the 1's. Speedy Gonzales wins aggregates at National events shooting around .200" and .225" for an average of 5 groups. 10 groups for a 100 & 200 agg.

I would have to disagree aggregates in the ones are a fairly regular occurance with 1st 2nd and third places being in the ones

Then you shoot the agg Killing!! .4 on a reverse

 

[Bc'z]

Remember Brett, it’s a team event.

Correct, 1/2 of all winnings go back to gunsmith...
So he tells me. Lmao

 

[Owens85]

Correct, 1/2 of all winnings go back to gunsmith...
So he tells me. Lmao

Dam he already gets half my money now lol.

 

[ricco1949]

Only 8 out of 112 agg'd under 1 inch at 300M at Tack Driver 5.

Pretty elite company.....

I suspect those guns are capable of agging at or under .200 at 100 yards.

 

[6BRA]

Well I can tell you this much when I left for the tack driver last year my gun was pretty consistently shooting in the .1's . It ended up doing pretty good in orangeburg. FWIW .

BRA power! Good shooting!

 

[Bill Norris]

About a month ago my 30BR was agging in the mid to high ones at 100 yds. when I shot this group at 300 yds. over at SVT_Tacticals range. We had mostly head wind but minimal cross wind as well.

 

[AlNyhus]

I'll say that with a well tuned gun capable of mid-high ones over flags in managable conditions....going fron 100 to 200 is three times as hard. 200 to 300 is twice as hard.

Good shootin' -Al

 

[Owens85]

I'll say that with a well tuned gun capable of mid-high ones over flags in managable conditions....going fron 100 to 200 is three times as hard. 200 to 300 is twice as hard.

Good shootin' -Al

Yes and at a match you don't get to pick what type of condition you shoot in. That's why I believe the best tune possible is important to help with the conditions. But if you get caught in a switch it doesn't seem to matter lol.

 

[Ccrider]

Only 8 out of 112 agg'd under 1 inch at 300M at Tack Driver 5.

Pretty elite company.....

I suspect those guns are capable of agging at or under .200 at 100 yards.
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This is real time, tough changing conditions, under pressure with the cream of the crop.

What do you guys think the top ten were capable of under ideal conditions at 100/300? My guess: .1- .2/.5-.7.

 

[K22]

This is way above my ability. Depends on how small of groups you need (hunting or competing?) Regardless of the distance you cannot aways wait for some ideal wind or mirage condition to repeat. If there is a wind change from a certain direction how much do you hold off and in what direction. The best shooters understand this. You will have bad scores if you don't learn how to hold off. You cannot aim at the same place on the target and wait for some condition to repeat. Sometimes it may work.

If you watch the "boil" on mirage and wind effects on surrounding vegetation it will give you some indication of wind direction. Of course, estimating speed in a whole other problem. Also, the charts prepared by the South Texas Marksmanship Training Center (southtexasshooting.org) are helpful in explaining POI changes due to mirage. I found this to be most helpful.

I am far from mastering reading both wind and mirage, but I have learned a few things practicing in these conditions using wind flags (homemade) and the aforementioned charts. For varmint hunting, of course I try to time the shot when there is pause in the wind, but this is not always possible or effective as conditions are rarely if ever static.

The point I was trying to make is that if you practice enough you will start to see that as the distance increases, wind and mirage start to have increase effect on POI and you can l learn from it. If you only shoot at 100 yards when your goal is to become proficient at 300 yards, you will get a false sense of your capability and miss learning experiences.