Whats after 30-06?

[Old Navy]

I have always been an ‘06 fan. When I was growing up in the 1950’s, about the only rifles anyone owned was a 30/30, a 270, or a 30/06.

If a wife hunted, she got a 243. So did the kids. When the kids got bigger, they got a real rifle. An ‘06.

With todays powders, and todays bullets, it’s sometimes difficult thinking of needing anything else in the Western Hemisphere.

But, of course, it’s an antiquated relic from a bygone era. Something for old guys to remanence about as they ponder the same fate.

NOT!!

Sounds like we grew up at the same time.

 

[bobcat93]

I think we solved hornady, Winchester, Remington next cartridge question.
Good work team.
It appears the industry screwed the pooch again hahaha.
This happens when corporate sends in kids to do the work it takes a life time of information and real world knowledge to develop, collect, and accomplish.
But i suppose that is there target audience.
old folks already made decisions on life long tools they prefer to use..

Take the 7mm bullet out of the new 7mm-PRC
And jam a .308 in it. We have something special..maybe.. i want to see those 168gr going 3500fps at the muzzle. Fill that case with rotumbo or H1000 and see what happens.

With only a poof! Of recoil.
Hahaha..

 

[Swamplord]

This one

 

[Idaho-Lefty]

"Take the 7 MM Bullet Out of, the 7 PRC",.. I Almost, Spit my Coffee out, all over my Computer,. LOL !!!
You obviously DON'T "Understand", the Fabulous, Heavier, 7 MM bullet ,.. B C's
Warn Us,.. Next Time,.. LOL !

 

[Idaho-Lefty]

@ Bobcat,..
The .30-06 Has ample, Neck Length,. You "Could", Blow it Out a Bit with, a 30 to 35 Degree, Shoulder ( and, a little LESS body Taper ) to Hold 7 to 10 More grains of Powder,.. IF, you wanted ( Sort of, an Ackley'ized, .06,.. Plus ).
STILL, won't Beat, a 7 PRC at,.. LR

 

[Orr89rocz]

@ Bobcat,..
My son HAD, a .300 WSM and NOW shoots, a 7 PRC for, a REASON,.. It just "Outperforms" almost EVERY, .300 Magnum at, LONG Range, except, a very Few of the Biggest ( and Hardest Recoiling, Magnums, with, Huge Bullets. )
Take a Look at, the Best 7mm Bullets, Sierra / Berger/ Hornady,.. from 175 grains to 184 grains for yourself.
He's pushing the 180 grainers, a Min of, 2950 to, 3015 FPS ( 24 inch Barrel ) with, BC's in the "Stratrosphere" and All with, Low Recoil, using a PVA, Jet-Blast, Brake ( I'm impressed and MANY others,.. ARE, too ! ),
The 7 PRC is Popular for, a Reason,.. It,. "Hammers",..
And All from, an 8.7 Pound Rifle, that Cost him about, $2,700. to Put together.

Wsm aint far behind tho. My 208 long range hybrid has a .354 bc to the berger 180 7mm of .349. I run mine 2860-2870 in my 24”. It carries more energy to 1000 yrds and is only 24” less drop and 3” less drift for a 7mm doing 2950. If using these cup and cores on big game i prefer the heavier bullet

 

[Orr89rocz]

Just a half drunkin thought....
If i can push a 185 jug @2850+ accurately like 5 in .25" @100 accurate with an 06', wouldn't a 06'improved pushe the same jug to 2950?
So how's a WSM or PRC gonna get it done any more efficient?
Keep in mind were just sippin around the camp fire here.
Charge vs velocity + recoil and all?

How many grains of power? An improved case is likely close to wsm performance. Can get 3000-3050 from a wsm with that bullet. I used to shoot the 180 elite hunters at 3068 in my wsm with 68 gr reloder23. Its diminishing returns, that extra 50-100 fps takes more fuel. Is it worth it? Idk.
And no one can take away from the wsm reputation for accuracy…. But if you have a 06 that performs that well, definitely no need for a wsm.

 

[Bc'z]

How many grains of power? An improved case is likely close to wsm performance. Can get 3000-3050 from a wsm with that bullet. I used to shoot the 180 elite hunters at 3068 in my wsm with 68 gr reloder23. Its diminishing returns, that extra 50-100 fps takes more fuel. Is it worth it? Idk.
And no one can take away from the wsm reputation for accuracy…. But if you have a 06 that performs that well, definitely no need for a wsm.

56gr H4350, cci 250 , lapua brass.
Barrel is a Krieger 26" #5 contour, currently it's not screwed on which really has me contemplating having the AI reamer run in.
Even if I was to pick up 100fps that would be a killer on any game with the 185 gr bullet and only 100 fps slower than your WSM with 10gr less powder.

 

[Idaho-Lefty]

Wsm aint far behind tho. My 208 long range hybrid has a .354 bc to the berger 180 7mm of .349. I run mine 2860-2870 in my 24”. It carries more energy to 1000 yrds and is only 24” less drop and 3” less drift for a 7mm doing 2950. If using these cup and cores on big game i prefer the heavier bullet

True But, the OP doesn't "Like", the .300 WSM as Many here, HAVE suggested as, the Next,.."Step",.. Up.
The 7 PRC Has, the Vel / HP to, Kill Elk Further than, most Hunters could ever Hit One,. in the Kill Zone.
Both the .300 WSM and the 7 PRC are Deadly,.. "Way out, There" on Elk, for,.. SURE !
My son's "issues" with, the .300 WSM was that, it was IN, a Rem 700,.. "Short Action" ( Long Bullet's, No fit'em ).
He now uses a Tikka T-3, Medium sized action, w/ Magnum Bolt face, .300 Win Mag magazines and, a Proof Barrel.
Personally, I Like Both WSM's, having Hunted with, the .270 WSM for, the Last 8-10 Years ( 140 Berg's, going 3,175 FPS ) At Normal, "Hunting Ranges" that, Low recoiling Load,.. Fold's, Elk up,.. DRT

 

[358WCF]

How many grains of power? An improved case is likely close to wsm performance. Can get 3000-3050 from a wsm with that bullet. I used to shoot the 180 elite hunters at 3068 in my wsm with 68 gr reloder23. Its diminishing returns, that extra 50-100 fps takes more fuel. Is it worth it? Idk.
And no one can take away from the wsm reputation for accuracy…. But if you have a 06 that performs that well, definitely no need for a wsm.

Yes, they are close in performance. In a 26" 30-06 Ackley I've gotten to just above 3100 with Nosler 180 SolidBase. A safe but warm load of 66.5gr RL26. Half a gr more increased bolt lift a bit.

I've worked much more with 150s to 168s. Around 3300/150s & 3200/165s is doable but getting close to the edge with a couple of different powders. H4831, RL 17, 19, & 23, along with N150 & 160 were very useful.

Except for the RL26/180, powder charges were right around 60gr +/- 2 to 3 gr. depending on particular powder & bullet. RL26 isn't useful with lighter than 180 without heavy compression. OAL is between 3.300 & 3.400".

Also... '06 brass has been fairly to readily available throughout the last 4 years which is more than can be said for WSM brass.

 

[bobcat93]

NO!..NO!..NOPE!..SORRY NO..30-06 AI doesnt have the case capacity..whats it hold 72gr.of water?..ha! Those are pee pee numbers..were looking for 82gr case capacity.HAHA
SEE I GOT SOME OF YOU GUYS THINKING.
what is the shoulder angle of the 7mm prc?
and what is the shoulder angle of say the 300RUM?.
is the 7mm prc straight like an Ackly Improved case?
that is what i want to see. 80-85gr case capacity in a straight case , with the 300rum shoulder, in 308.
Set up for 168gr-180gr berger bullets
with a heavy barrel like a .980 dia or larger.
Some one go first..ill follow along and await results.
hahaha
It may not be spectacular, but then again you dont know untill you have real world findings..
This should have plenty of gas for 500- 1000yd. Hunting or target work. With a 308 bullet. Very efficient for powder burn and not tourching the barrel as bad.
Again i have no real use for such a cartridge but
But im bord with the 30-06, and 300 magnum sledgehammers, the 308 win doesnt do it for me i want more power...not that there's anything wrong with any of those cartridge. Ive just played with them for years and want that new car smell, and new car feel.
This one may be it
It depends on my level of obsession
Im already think of what rifle do i have i can cannibalize. And who would make the barrel.
Brass,bullets,powder primers should all be flowing off the shelves..so no problem there.
Haha.yeah right..at 2x's over inflated prices.
But thats a different topic.
Thats my vision i had when i looked at the 7mm prc..hey look at that, let rip it apart ..hahaha
Like the million dollar man..
Gentleman-we can rebuild it, bigger, faster, stronger...hahaha

 

[Bc'z]

30-06 AI doesnt have the case capacity..whats it hold 72gr.of water?..ha! Those are pee pee numbers..were looking for 82gr case capacity..
It may not be spectacular, but then again you dont know untill you have real world findings..

Compare his velocity to a 7prc or WSM, it might give you pause.
Velocity is achieved with less powder.
Hornady 7prc data
So I'm really not seeing the gain of the 7prc over a06 improved or a 280ai for that matter.
Trust me I drank the Kool-Aid once I do own a Creedmoor. lol

 

[jwv2001]

If you're a hunter, I don't know why you would need anything more powerful than the 30-06. It already has an extensive reputation on all game in North America. The only other consideration I would recommend would be a 308 Win. Same bullet selection as the '06, on a short action, with an abundance of non-proprietary brass.

 

[ISS]

yes, perhaps. Just be done with it and build a 7mm RUM. Increased velocity is like true love. It means never having say you're sorry; or having to apologize to that dead animal for killing it too dead.

I like to hunt Africa every chance I get. My last Cape Buffalo took the third and killing shot from 20 +/- feet away as he rose from the ground coming for me. He was laying there, and appeared to be dead. From thirty feet away. The PH tells me to stick another 500gr Hornady from my 458 RUM (a cartridge I highly recommend for things that will kill you, and perhaps dine on your carcass). He says, look at his eyes. Yeah, why I ask? Because, his eyes are closed. Dead animals eyes are always open. Oh! Put the crosshairs dead between his eyes. I take one more step and as I squeeeeeze that trigger, he launches like Tom Cruise in Top Gun.

Boom! and he lands almost at my feet.

Best part of that story; I did NOT need clean boxers. I've shot Elephants, three in about fifteen seconds, closest one was eight feet in front of me. That Buffalo scared me more than anything else ever has. Craig Boddington and I have shared many hunting stories over the years. He said, for him, Lion. They look at you like you look at a Sirloin on the grill. For me, Buffalo. Robert Ruark said "Cape Buffalo, they have no weaknesses. They simply look at you as if you owe them money...

ISS

 

[Steve Donlon]

I REALLY like my 300PRC.

I agree. Why limit your self when a 300PRC will shoot a 215gr. Berger or a 210 Sierra 3000 fps and be very very accurate. The 30 cal is Americas' caliber with a lot of history. Build a 30" straight cylinder barrel and make it a heavy rifle and don't look back. Going from a 30-06 to anything else is just not right.

 

[209jones]

I went from a 7RM, to a 7-08 and a 338WM in late 80's, still have the 7-08 and a 7RM, no big desire to change that. I bought a 300H&H as it was in a special gun, around the same time, bought a 30R Blaser, wanted a 300Rimmed H&H, company wouldn't chamber that or the regular 300H&H, 30R was a nice compromise, suits the purpose quite well. For those interested in 7mm's, Little Crow Gunworks just finished a 20 part vid series comparing 280AI, 7RM, 7PRC, 28Nos for a hunting gun, 7RM actually won.

 

[bobcat93]

Once again..i love the 7mm , cant stand 308..
Due to boredom..maybe thats disrespectful to some that is not my intention.
..im just being honest the 308 is a work horse.
A hammer you grab for a task.
I am not mystified, excited, im not anything when i sit down with a 30 cal rifle because i am fully aware of what its most likely gonna do. You guys gotta know what i mean?...no?
Maybe this will help
Im one of those guys who spends 4yrs scraping and saving money to buy rifle parts..once i have what i want i mail it off to a gun smith to assemble.
Once im done with load development, and accuracy characteristics of that particular rifle are ironed out and im shooting consistent groups. I loose interest
I sell it and do it again
so far ive kept 1 rifle i built an AR-15 of all things, the lest expensive of anything i built..kind of stupid..but that baby will out shoot any AR ive sat down next too. So far..
we are trying to compare (only 30ca) cartridges here in this topic
I could grab any numerous number of random cartridges to beat a make believe 30cal. Cartridge
Hell a .20 practical will blow it out of the water on paper
I guess what i want is something with speed like the 300 R.U.M. with out the rediculous amount of powder and recoil.
You know how fast powder goes dropping 95gr charge weights..hahaha..its actually depressing

 

[JBT47]

.300 WSM on an action like the Defiance XM’s or a Tikka. I guess you could build on a long action as well but I don’t know how well that would feed. I would not build any WSM on a short action. If you can seat the 200gr and up bullets above the neck shoulder junction in a .300 WSM then you have an almost equal to the .300 Win Mag. You would burn 10gr less powder to send bullets with equal ballistics to the .300 Win Mag. Recoil is stiff in the 200gr and up bullets so I would recommend a brake. Accuracy in the WSM’s is fantastic. You have several good brass makers to choose from as well nowdays.

 

[centershot]

The first thing you have to establish is are you going to reload a wildcat? If so, may I suggest the .30 Gibbs? Made from the parent '06 case and it is an extremely efficient cartridge. You can load it up or down.

 

[Idaho-Lefty]

IF, it took Me, 4 years to, "Scrimp & Save" for, a Rifle "Build", you could Be, Damn SURE that, I personally, AIN'T throwing away, 95 grains of Gun Powder,.. PER,.. Shot !
Gimmee,.. the extremely Accurate, NON, "Gas Guzzling",... 7 SAUM / .300 WSM, "efficient Class" of, Cart's, Any Day !
I'll Take, the 35 to 40 Percent, MORE Shots,.. Per Pound of, powder.
Either One, Will Kill ANYTHING, on THIS Planet with, the "Right" Bullet, at any,.. Reasonable Range.
As, HAS,.. the .30-06 Been "doing", for,.. Decades !
Sounds Like, the OP "needs", a .300 Rum, .338 Rum / Lapua or, a least, a .300 PRC at, "minimum' to,.. "enjoy" !