Parr the course with this dude.And crickets......
Aerospike Bullets Initial Test Results
- Thread starter HappyHellfire
- Start date
Theoretical engineer with no people skills, no experience, no budget.
My guess is, lots of book knowledge, a ton of arrogance, and absolutely no real word experience in anything other than academia.
Offers have been made and rejected that would validate, or not his ideas.
Dave M.
F-Open Class shooter (284 win, 6dasher, 6.5-7PRCW)
My full review will be posted in mid August after nationals are completed.
Dave
Dave M.
F-Open Class shooter (284 win, 6dasher, 6.5-7PRCW)
Wow, some of you guys are embarrassing me to be part of the precision shooting community. You're acting like a pack of wolves or a lynch mob. I thought this thread was going to be more civil and it started out that way but then the mob jumped over and started up again. This man has an idea which may or may not be valid but not being a shooter and not really knowing any shooters he asked for help. I think if we went into his arena we would come off as poorly as he did. Give the man a break if you don't agree with his idea or don't want to help just ignore him. Obviously there are a few who will help him, good on them. I remember a few years ago when there was a violent discussion on center fire tuners. All the experts said they wouldn't work now half the line has tuners. Please back off and let it play out on it's own. Rant off
Not being a shooter. He stated he shoots 10,000 shots a year.
Why is that a surprise? I test lots of 100 at a time with about 10 warming rounds. For the last few years I've tested about twice a week
110*2*50=11,000
I doubt I tested 50 weeks a year so I rounded down.
Just because I don't shoot LIKE YOU doesn't mean I don't shoot. Bullet development is just weird shooting.
You are correct sir, I read that as more like laboratory type shooting rather than what most of us do. I guess that means you can reassemble and hang me along with him
TTE
Gold $$ Contributor
you admitted to not having "bench rest type rifles" to test with.
So, much of your testing is being done with sub par equipment, which will be difficult to determine any data with (is it the bullet or the rifle).
If you are in fact testing 10k bullets a year ... why is it so difficult for you to provide 'know shooters' here with 500 or 1k bullets for testing at the ranges you claim will make a difference ?
Researching and developing a sub MOA load at 100 yards generally takes more than a few bullets.
At the ranges you are suggesting your bullet will make a difference is generally A LOT more R&D for sub MOA.
Whether you shoot them yourself .... or someone else shoots them, the cost is the same to you (actually cheaper, no powder or primers).
Most of the shooters here are stand up guys and will/would provide you with honest feedback that you will not be able to obtain with your current equipment.
JMO
Bottom Fodder
Silver $$ Contributor
Are we still stirring the pot or “Is it soup yet”
Y'all act like lawyers in the forum. "YOU ADMITTED"!
No, my equipment is not sub par. It is just different from yours.
Yes, I spend a bunch of money on testing. That does not mean that I will give you bullets for free.
No, based upon your behavior on this forum (and several others I might add) I did not select you to be one of the initial testers. I have found several shooter and things are going well.
I really should send you several boxes as a thank you. Every time you and the other distractors show your ass on one of my posts the hits on my Aerospike.com website spike.
You will never sell any until someone shoots an impressive wallet group, sets a record or wins a match with them. Hits on your website, are a lot different than selling bullets and winning matches. I would love for your bullets to be the real deal, but we will never know cause you are afraid to loss the price of a box of bullets to prove your point. Can't see the forest for the trees.
I have given away about 20 boxes so far. Just not to the loud voices that you are hearing.
It is a bit of a conundrum. They won't sell unless they are proven. They must be widely sold and used to be proven. Please don't assume that the loud or obnoxious voices you hear are the experts doing the testing. I have been doing my best to avoid them.
TTE
Gold $$ Contributor
Well, ... many of the guys here are into super accurate rifles. You know, like 1 hole groups at 100 and 200 yards. If your equipment IS different than theirs ... maybe you should drop the bullet idea and sell those super accurate rifles to them.
I doubt your equipment is as accurate as their rigs, but that's just a guess based on the pics I have seen here of groups at those distances
Ok so what are the specifications of your test rifles e.g. action, barrel maker, twist, length, trigger, reamer, scope, stock .. and just as important, who put it all together.
Oh wait ! All that is probably a company secret, so you won't tell us. Another "just trust me" or a you are a mathematically challenged guy type of reply.
In another post you said that your shooting may not be up to bench rest standards. That's another thing to consider.
RE: bullet price - How much do your bullet cost you when you to shoot them ? How much do your bullets cost for someone else to shoot them ? Either way, they are down the barrel for the same cost.
Maybe you should look at my post in the other thread about your bullets.
The one about discretionary income.
All your theories and formulas are great, until the trigger is pulled. That is what will tell the tale.
And if you don't have the very best equipment and highly competent shooters/reloaders, you'll never get the answers you seek.
again ........ JMO
“Rolling Nowhere”
Have you offered to help?. I have, and so have others. We did not ask for free bullets or anything other than an opportunity to provide feedback that might be meaningful to the designer.
I have no idea what the cost of a few of his bullets might have been, but I expect that if he has any chance of selling them, it is an insignificant cost in the greater scheme of my expenditures.
To the developer, this would be information at no expense to him from High Master level shooters.
No Reply, No Discussion, No Credibility in my opinion. He seems to want to complain and pick and choose the information he gets back. I am not into supporting his propaganda and at this point would have serious doubts about the credibility of any favorable reports on his product that might be offered in the future.
TTE
Gold $$ Contributor
Those are the exact guys you need to test your bullets. If you can convince them you can convince anyone.
if you want to build an exceptional tire for Indy cars, you don't start testing with go carts
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Really? What’s wrong with lawyers? You got something against them? Sounds like you could use a good one right about now with a fair amount of people skills.
Pot calling the kettle black?
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