Aerospike Bullets Initial Test Results

[HappyHellfire]

I thought I would create a post specifically for presenting the results of independent testing of aerospike bullets. If you send me your results please give me permission to post them to the forum. If you want to post the results independently fee free.

If you have no idea what I'm talking about I have a short intro to aerospike bullets on my website.

 

[HappyHellfire]

John,

I picked up ten of your bullets at the last Pensacola gun show. I was able to load and shoot them yesterday and wanted to share the results with you.

I shot two five shot groups from a Remington 700 .308 with a 24” 1/10 Kreiger barrel. Both groups were sub MOA as can be seen in the attached photo. The bullets were loaded in once fired Federal cases with 41.0 Grs of Hodgdon Benchmark powder using a Federal large rifle primer.

After talking with you at the show, I wasn’t expecting much in the way of accuracy because you had said you hadn’t had great results out of the .308 bullet. I find these groups acceptable and could probably be reduced with further testing.

 

[Kracken McGraw]

To be truthful, those marginal hundred yard groups with flyers are not helping your promotion.

 

[762willdo]

To be truthful, those marginal hundred yard groups with flyers are not helping your promotion.

at all….

 

[HappyHellfire]

To be truthful, those marginal hundred yard groups with flyers are not helping your promotion.

I'm not filtering the results to make them look good. Those are literally the first 10 shots he has ever taken with them.

If you feel you can do better then please do so and post the results here.

 

[Big_Daddy]

To be truthful, those marginal hundred yard groups with flyers are not helping your promotion.

This review could just as easily have been written by the OP.
I am not saying it is however it lacks any verifiable information as to its source.
I am waiting for established Forum Members to post independent reviews without the "middle man".

 

[Kracken McGraw]

This review could just as easily have been written by the OP.
I am not saying it is however it lacks any verifiable information as to its source.
I am waiting for established Forum Members to post independent reviews without the "middle man".

I just read the other thread in the Competition thread that I didn’t know was going on. I hope some of those that are getting bullets can stay hooked to give a range report.

 

[HappyHellfire]

This review could just as easily have been written by the OP.
I am not saying it is however it lacks any verifiable information as to its source.
I am waiting for established Forum Members to post independent reviews without the "middle man".

I'm working to get just that. I've got about 8 shooters now with bullets in their hands. If they post their results here I can use the critical feedback to improve the design and make them better. I figure that if I can make them good enough for this crowd then I should have no problem selling them to the general public and then to the military.

 

[CJ6]

You better make a boatload of them if you want the military to test them. I could be wrong but I don't believe that solids are applicable to NATO spec. for anti personnel.

 

[HappyHellfire]

You better make a boatload of them if you want the military to test them. I could be wrong but I don't believe that solids are applicable to NATO spec. for anti personnel.

I hear you. That is why I'm starting with the civilian market and limiting to reloaders. If I can get them to catch on I can raise the investors to transition to lead core. It is a hell of a lot easier to prototype with solid copper though. I can make a design change, model it, program the lathe, cut bullets, reload, and test a round of 100 in a day now.

 

[WSnyder]

To be truthful, those marginal hundred yard groups with flyers are not helping your promotion.

Yes, it's a random guy with a Remington in 308 with a Kreiger. I'm not going to judge or dismiss his bullets off some random shooter with a generic rifle we know nothing about. Good for him for posting up information that's not exactly great. If he didn't disclose all results he'd be a crappy scientist and would be run out of his job

 

[John Beauchamp]

I'm not a scientist and have never played one on tv but it seems to me that developing a bullet profile in solid copper and then trying to transition that to a jacketed lead would'nt work as the weight distribution would be totaly different

 

[HappyHellfire]

I'm not a scientist and have never played one on tv but it seems to me that developing a bullet profile in solid copper and then trying to transition that to a jacketed lead would'nt work as the weight distribution would be totaly different

That is actually a great point. It is true that transitioning to lead will change the mass profile but as long as the copper bullet is stable in flight and I don't move the center of gravity too far back the lead core will be more stable. Regardless of the theory, it will take a few months of trial and error to tune in a lead core bullet.

 

[WSnyder]

Regardless of the theory, it will take a few months of trial and error to tune in a lead core bullet.

That's for sure! I almost commented as to that but good to know you're on it and know that it is coming

 

[TTE]

I've got about 8 shooters now with bullets in their hands.

Hope you are not counting me in that number.

I bought 20 .... you were very gracious and sent 20 additional (so 40 in total).

Not long ago, I gave them away to someone I really don't know (that is the truth).

 

[Evan]

Regardless of the theory, it will take a few months of trial and error to tune in a lead core bullet.

It will be a lot longer than a few months unless you have a team and are operating with significant funding to run parallel development. Dies aren’t fast or cheap.

Might I recommend you contact some of the guys who make swaged bullets, like Tom at Vapor Trail, Bart at Barts Bullets, or RG at BIBs and see if they will talk you through that development process and how it went for their very highly regarded bullet designs? It’s not a smooth or fast road and they may be willing to give you some advice that shapes how you work toward that goal now. Your design may not be readily possible to swage to the required precision without making alterations that you could be testing first in solid copper.

 

[ebb]

I have a very old bench rest rifle, It was built in the 80s or 90s. I bought the rifle about 10 years ago for $1300. Added a Leupold 36 power scope. I have shot 5 shot groups that that measure .087 and .099. It is an old style rifle that is not even competitive today. What Kraken is trying to tell you is those groups are impressing no one. 10 bullets is not near enough to develop a group that even comes close to showing potential. You are shooting yourself in the foot for the price of a box of bullets. No one buys a bullet for long range shooting that is tested at 100yds. And no one buys a bullet that shoots a 100yd group like those. Talk to Tom Mousel and see if he will test them for you, He tests for the best.

 

[Evan]

I have a very old bench rest rifle, It was built in the 80s or 90s. I bought the rifle about 10 years ago for $1300. Added a Leupold 36 power scope. I have shot 5 shot groups that that measure .087 and .099. It is an old style rifle that is not even competitive today. What Kraken is trying to tell you is those groups are impressing no one. 10 bullets is not near enough to develop a group that even comes close to showing potential. You are shooting yourself in the foot for the price of a box of bullets. No one buys a bullet for long range shooting that is tested at 100yds. And no one buys a bullet that shoots a 100yd group like those. Talk to Tom Mousel and see if he will test them for you, He tests for the best.

If @tom wants to test them, he has the platforms and infrastructure to test to ELR distances.

 

[Big_Daddy]

I hear you. That is why I'm starting with the civilian market and limiting to reloaders. If I can get them to catch on I can raise the investors to transition to lead core. It is a hell of a lot easier to prototype with solid copper though. I can make a design change, model it, program the lathe, cut bullets, reload, and test a round of 100 in a day now.

Send me 200 for the 6.5 Creedmoor and I will test them in very short order and post the results with no bias.
I am not a match shooter but am into accuracy at 500 yards, which we shoot every Wednesday at our club.
We utilize the ShotMarker system so screen shoots should supply the needed info for a solid review.

I will do both 100 and 500 yard tests.

Figure it this way, if a "non high end" match shooter can make them work, then the "pros" should have no issues.

Your call!

 

[Big_Daddy]

And crickets......