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Electric Cars -- anyone own one?

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I just deleted 2 short vids I posted, because there is an Unlimited wealth of Verified information out there, available for anyone that is not too ignorant to absorb it.
EV is a Govt & Ins co. scam.
It is NOT clean energy, it is Not economical, and it Does affect everyone, even those that choose to not use it. Insurance Companies Don’t lose money! Their losses are distributed across the board, and recovered through All of their “customers “ .
The sheep falling for this immediate gratification, are not looking at the big picture, Long term Control, Costs, Loss of Freedoms and Where they are trying to herd US with this ridiculous fallacy.
It may work for some very few right now, depending on all of their specific personal parameters, but those supporting the movement are not considering where it is leading Americans in the Long term…
 
Prius is a hybid battery/gas vehicle. Runs off the battery and a gas engine running a generator to recharge the battery when needed.
“The Toyota Prius uses components of series and parallel engines, making it a series-parallel hybrid. The Prius has a power split device, which includes a gearbox connecting the generator, gas engine, and electric motor. The Prius Gen 2 was the first to have this device. A ring gear attaches to the electric motor and transfers the motor’s power to a reduction gear on the final drive. The power split device has a planetary gear set with sun and planet gears. The gears’ movements power the car and generator. The sun gear spins quickly, and its maximum speed limits the car’s electric capabilities. If the vehicle needs more power than the planetary gears can provide, it turns on the internal combustion engine to use gasoline.”

I rented one for a week and other then driving a little in a parking lot the gas engine ran all the time. However, it got 56mpg driving on Houston freeways and city streets all week. It is a little car so you can’t carry much. It is very low to the ground with small wheels, so it can easily scrape on some driveway aprons. Has an odd rear window with two windows split horizontally so rear view is a bit obstructed. The drivers instrument cluster is in the middle of the dash, not behind the steering wheel, which is odd to get used to. I usually see older couples driving them, probably for economic reasons.
 
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“The Toyota Prius uses components of series and parallel engines, making it a series-parallel hybrid. The Prius has a power split device, which includes a gearbox connecting the generator, gas engine, and electric motor. ...

It is a little car so you can’t carry much. It is very low to the ground with small wheels, so it can easily scrape on some driveway aprons. Has an odd rear window with two windows split horizontally so rear view is a bit obstructed. The drivers instrument cluster is in the middle of the dash, not behind the steering wheel, which is odd to get used to.
Little, but not lightweight. For its size very heavy! The styling on Prius always puzzled me, they seem to want it to look quirky compared to ICE Toyotas so there's no mistaking it. But the rear visibility seems compromised through all the model changes, and I see no reason for the weird styling, inside or out.

Forum Boss: Most people think the NEW Prius is quite handsome. I sat in one and I can confirm that it is sleek. Rear visibility is OK. However the extreme slope of the windshield means you have very long A pillars that do interfere with vision at about 11 o'clock left and 10 o'clock right.


Official Toyota photos:
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NOTE intrusive A pillars.
 
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I looked at both a Hybrid and Electric only.

I chose the all electric simply for convenience. I didn’t want to have to do anything but drive it and plug it in..
I chose an IC vehicle simply for the convenience. I didn’t want to have to do anything but drive it and spend 10 minutes putting gas in, available anywhere, every 450 miles. Pingo-bango.
 
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With all respect, I think that is a distinction without a difference. We subsidized roads for motor vehicles, airports for airplanes, railroad tracks for trains. Each of those are a particular design. Now that these legacy industries have to compete with a start up guy who makes electric cars when everyone laughed at him, suddenly subsidies bad? Very few industries in America have paid their own way without help. Almost every industry received some kind of start up help. The sale of tractors is subsidized by government loans to farmers.
https://www.fsa.usda.gov/programs-and-services/farm-loan-programs/index
I am neither for nor against subsidies as such. Each one should be evaluated based upon benefit versus cost. I personally think we should give electric vehicles a foot up. But the truth is, it’s probably not going to be necessary in the long run. (Except as we compete with other countries that do subsidize their industries.) They are in general a pretty good product that can compete head on with ICE vehicles overtime. But compared to the Enormous amount of tax dollars paid to subsidize other industries, directly and indirectly, electric vehicles and charging networks don’t even tip the scale.
I don't remember hearing or reading about subsidies being paid to Henry Ford when he introduced the Model-T nor any paid to developers of Cadillac, Buick, the Dodge brothers. No subsidies were given to most of the innovative industries that grew because of their popularity and public demand~!
 
How much energy is required to separate hydrogen from water?
Not a direct answer, but most hydrogen is made by reformation with high temperature steam and methane gas (natural gas) which produces hydrogen and carbon monoxide which is feed back as fuel and converted to CO2. Environmental alarmists don’t like this process much. Electrolysis, like we did in high school chem, can and is used to separate water but is not very efficient by comparison - something on the order of 1/3.
 
How much energy is required to separate hydrogen from water?
That's the key and it doesn't have to be done by electrolysis. Several companies are researching a number of ways to do it chemically~! I've been following this subject for some time now and the company that comes up with the viable answer is going to make a trainload of money. I want to own their stock when the discovered solution is found~!!
 
The prevailing push-back is coming from the government who will lose billions of $$ in fuel taxes and besides the government can control EVs. Also, but to a lesser extent from the petroleum industry. When I worked for Atlantic Richfield, 3% of our revenues came from motor fuels.
 
The prevailing push-back is coming from the government who will lose billions of $$ in fuel taxes
The government can create taxes on any commodity!

That's the key and it doesn't have to be done by electrolysis. Several companies are researching a number of ways to do it chemically~! I've been following this subject for some time now and the company that comes up with the viable answer is going to make a trainload of money. I want to own their stock when the discovered solution is found~!!
So the question of the energy needed to create hydrogen remains unanswered, and therefore, its economic viability. Even if a lab level chemical process is developed, it has to be economically scalable to mass production. Then there is the cost of creating distribution infrastructure. Many hurdles ahead…
 
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