Electric Cars -- anyone own one?

[Eagle Six]

For that generator to charge that model X, it would have to supply 110 at 12 amps for 4-5 days or 240 at 50 amps for about 8 hours.

So, now: Do you REALLY think that’s why that guy is carrying it, or was it just another joke?

Even if you like EV's you can laugh, it's a joke!

 

[TrapperBR549]

Even if you like EV's you can laugh, it's a joke!

It isn't nice to make fun of people who are unfortunate enough to have been born without a sense of humor.

 

[dellet]

Any disinterested observer of this thread must surely come away astonished by the amount of puerile mockery of EV owners that contributes absolutely nothing useful to the discussion

Microwaved steaks, Tesla Hearses, it ain’t got no gas memes.

Really, guys?

How exactly is this making you feel better about yourself?

Just here to mock and fight?

I don’t feel I’ve mocked EV owners or the product(well maybe the product), I’ve certainly bitched about the acceptance of bogus information being pushed down people throats to get them to buy.

Hers a classic example of information that needs to be mocked, by U.S News from last September. 13 gas cars with less range than an EV. They chose an $80,000 Tesla X long range as the EV to beat.

https://cars.usnews.com/cars-trucks/advice/gas-cars-with-less-range-than-tesla-model-x?slide=16

The problems start in the first paragraphs. Using the range of 345 miles for the Tesla X. When I go to the Tesla website, it lists the range as 326, or 335 miles. A small nit to pick but using the Tesla numbers the list of 13 vehicles with less range, drops to 6 or 3.

The point of the article is to lay aside fears of short ranges and push the savings aspect of electricity of gas. They give the average fuel costs for each vehicle compared to the average cost of fueling the Tesla of $700. What they leave out is the cost of the vehicle.

The $40,000 Mercedes will cost you an extra $2000 a year to fuel using their own numbers in the article, compared to the $80,000 Tesla. That means it will only take 20 years to start saving any money.

A $20,000 Nissan Versa with a range shortage of about 20 miles, and an estimated annual fuel cost of $1200 more than the Tesla, will take 50 years before any fuel related savings is realized.

An Honest Look at Driving Range​

EVs. To prove it, we’ve compiled a slideshow of internal combustion engine (ICE) cars with less range than the Tesla Model X, a popular all-electric SUV. Our goal is to provide insight for those who may be using outdated information as the basis for not purchasing an EV.

Tesla’s Model X has a driving range of up to 348 miles, with annual fuel costs of $700. The vehicles in our slideshow travel fewer miles on a full gas tank than the Model X does with a fully charged battery; also, they have much steeper yearly fuel costs than the Tesla.
We’ve listed our picks in descending order based on driving range and included information about each model’s yearly fuel costs.

I’m not so sure the article is truly an honest look at range and fuel costs. You have to be the kind of person who will step over a dollar to pick up dime, to make it make sense.

 

[secondofangle]

That article is little more than propaganda & lies, and it’s that kind of overselling and dishonesty that is tarnishing the reputation of EVs.

The have significant limitations that should not be glibly dismissed. We don’t want people buying them only to be disappointed bc they didn’t know what they were buying

 

[NorCalMikie]

If I fill up my ICE car, drive down to the City and back and do the same thing a few days later WITHOUT adding more gas,
Why would I spend $50/$60/$70K + on an EV that will get me ALMOST home on one charge?
ALMOST only counts of hand grenades, horseshoes and A bombs.

 

[rr2030]

If I fill up my ICE car, drive down to the City and back and do the same thing a few days later WITHOUT adding more gas,
Why would I spend $50/$60/$70K + on an EV that will get me ALMOST home on one charge?
ALMOST only counts of hand grenades, horseshoes and A bombs.

So then, an EV is not right for you at this time, and the better choice is ICE .

 

[Webster]

So then, an EV is not right for you at this time, and the better choice is ICE .

Never sized or reloaded a car.

 

[Rick in Oregon]

On the news here today in Orygun, it was told that all the Federally mandated guardrails on our highways are not able to withstand the crash criteria issued for their construction if EV's are involved. The things are so heavy from battery weight, the kinetic energy is multiple times what an ICE car would impart to the barriers in the event of a crash.

Another reason we'll ALL be paying more (taxes) to update the infrastructure to make these things fit into our highway system. Isn't that just great?

EV's: It's too soon, too expensive, too much angst, and not enough power grid to support, and not enough forethought for these things. In another 50 years......maybe, but NOT now.

 

[Larry Koch]

Earlier in this thread, I mentioned the Hybrid PushBoat that Kirby has built.

It is a true hybrid, the entire vessel is run by the batteries, the diesel engine/generators kick in to charge the batteries when they go below 40%.

Now it seems that a company is in the design stages of a electric that uses methanol/water hydrogen generators as the source of fuel for fuel cells generate the electricity.

All I saw was a brochure on it. The technology is supposed be sound. Only the future will tell.

Fuel cells, while the technology has been around for a long time. They are plagued with problems, when they operate they are very quiet. You can't tell they are operating except by looking at operating terminal screen. and the only discharge is H20, with some trace amount of other stuff.

 

[Liven The Dream]

On the news here today in Orygun, it was told that all the Federally mandated guardrails on our highways are not able to withstand the crash criteria issued for their construction if EV's are involved. The things are so heavy from battery weight, the kinetic energy is multiple times what an ICE car would impart to the barriers in the event of a crash.

Another reason we'll ALL be paying more (taxes) to update the infrastructure to make these things fit into our highway system. Isn't that just great?

EV's: It's too soon, too expensive, too much angst, and not enough power grid to support, and not enough forethought for these things. In another 50 years......maybe, but NOT now.

Rick On point .
There is a good article out on the Batteries and what it cost to make them ?
In till of all the third world labor .
One point that will send your mind in to over time .
Cobalt mining the young people working in these mines Dead from the poising?
Sad

 

[secondofangle]

^This same argument can be applied so so much of the stuff we buy from overseas, yet we’re not fretting over all the other electronics we get from there.

In other news:

 

[D Coots]

The prevailing push-back is coming from the government who will lose billions of $$ in fuel taxes and besides the government can control EVs. Also, but to a lesser extent from the petroleum industry. When I worked for Atlantic Richfield, 3% of our revenues came from motor fuels.

They will simply add a tax per mile on EV's.

 

[D Coots]

With an "on-board hydrogen generator" there is no need for a distribution infrastructure. The generator would be installed as the vehicle is being built and water is as close as you home tap~!

I thought we were running out of water???

 

[Uthink Uknow]

Is there a website such as this one devoted to positive EV discussion????

 

[Steve Jennings]

On the news here today in Orygun, it was told that all the Federally mandated guardrails on our highways are not able to withstand the crash criteria issued for their construction if EV's are involved. The things are so heavy from battery weight, the kinetic energy is multiple times what an ICE car would impart to the barriers in the event of a crash.

Another reason we'll ALL be paying more (taxes) to update the infrastructure to make these things fit into our highway system. Isn't that just great?

EV's: It's too soon, too expensive, too much angst, and not enough power grid to support, and not enough forethought for these things. In another 50 years......maybe, but NOT now.

Has anyone measured the electric field inside a Tesla? Is it a faraday box or a microwave?

 

[rr2030]

Is there a website such as this one devoted to positive EV discussion????

Try these guys: Speak EV

EV's, fuzzy bunnies, puppies, Unicorns, rainbows, etc.

 

[jackieschmidt]

I’m in slow moving traffic Right now on the 610 Loop, heading home.

 

[Kracken McGraw]

I’m in slow moving traffic Right now on the 610 Loop, heading home.View attachment 1518964

Jackie I think one of those lights says “oil change due”.

 

[Medic505]

^This same argument can be applied so so much of the stuff we buy from overseas, yet we’re not fretting over all the other electronics we get from there.

In other news:View attachment 1518899View attachment 1518898View attachment 1518897

The bars on the window speak volumes.

 

[Capt. Oblivious]

Seems there are some people that are new to the internet on this thread