ATF BOMBSHELL re AR Pistol Braces

[3Sigma]

your AR Pistol will no longer be a pistol if you register it as an SBR. So no need to take it pistol hunting.

Funny thing, MO specifically recognized AR pistols with braces as legal means of deer hunting.

So, you now have a situation where it is legal locally, but not federally. Kind if like marijuana.

 

[Jdne5b]

Funny thing, MO specifically recognized AR pistols with braces as legal means of deer hunting.

So, you now have a situation where it is legal locally, but not federally. Kind if like marijuana.

I anticipate Mo Conservation dept to update that if this doesn't get struck down. If they do I guess I'll build a bolt action pistol.

 

[Minshooter]

An executive branch agency cannot redefine what a rifle is. Only Congress can do that.

This will get struck down.

That is how it should be, both in ATF action, and the SCOTUS declaring this brace "ruling" unconstitutional.
However,
ATF "defined" that bump stocks are now machineguns, and possession became and is still a felony.
No provision for registering. Except for certain FFLs/07's, no civilian can legally have them.
So far, attempts to bring this unconstitutional action to the courts have been unsuccessful.

 

[mousegunner]

Nothing in this rule bans stabilizing braces or the use of stabilizing braces on pistols........

I am having a problem comprehending this.

You buy it as a pistol with a stabilizing brace therefore it is not banned but....


The logic escapes me Jim.

 

[texascavediver]

That is how it should be, both in ATF action, and the SCOTUS declaring this brace "ruling" unconstitutional.
However,
ATF "defined" that bump stocks are now machineguns, and possession became and is still a felony.
No provision for registering. Except for certain FFLs/07's, no civilian can legally have them.
So far, attempts to bring this unconstitutional action to the courts have been unsuccessful.

The 5th Circuit Court of Appeals overturned the ban on bump stocks this past week.

 

[Dusty Stevens]

All they want is a little serial number to track. Im sure theres no need to be alarmed- the AFT is on our side.

 

[Jsjac]

That is how it should be, both in ATF action, and the SCOTUS declaring this brace "ruling" unconstitutional.
However,
ATF "defined" that bump stocks are now machineguns, and possession became and is still a felony.
No provision for registering. Except for certain FFLs/07's, no civilian can legally have them.
So far, attempts to bring this unconstitutional action to the courts have been unsuccessful.

This will explain the bump stock thing

 

[YEW PLUCKER]

That is how it should be, both in ATF action, and the SCOTUS declaring this brace "ruling" unconstitutional.
However,
ATF "defined" that bump stocks are now machineguns, and possession became and is still a felony.
No provision for registering. Except for certain FFLs/07's, no civilian can legally have them.
So far, attempts to bring this unconstitutional action to the courts have been unsuccessful.

Defined them as SBRs, not machine guns.

 

[Louisiana Shooter]

 

[kzin]

The rule does allow for the possibility of a legal actual braced pistol for the minority that want that.
It does not simply make everything with a brace and a short barrel an sbr.
It's even less clear than the worksheet what you would have to do to qualify, though.
Probably a short 'length of pull' and a brace that 'objectively' functioned better as a brace than a stock.

 

[Minshooter]

The 5th Circuit Court of Appeals overturned the ban on bump stocks this past week.

They did, and that is encouraging.
This may be what is needed to take the issue to the Supreme Court.

 

[Minshooter]

Defined them as SBRs, not machine guns.

Yes, of course different determinations. Bump stocks are machineguns. Braces are now (mostly) SBRs.
My statement was intended as but one example of ATF deciding they are all three branches of government.

 

[22BRGUY]

Administrative Agency makes Law

 

[Lockshot]

How is this positive law when congress did not pass it?

 

[joshb]

So, what is everybody going to do? Play along or possibly become a felon, stripped of ALL rights?

 

[ebb]

What about the letters that ATF gave out when they allowed the braces many years ago? which do you believe? Now if they show the old letter and issue a statement "only kidding." then I guess its OK???

 

[The boogalorian]

So, what is everybody going to do? Play along or possibly become a felon, stripped of ALL rights?

You won’t believe what happen on my fishing trip yesterday……

 

[22BRGUY]

Well, once the rule goes into effect you're a felon either way. But if you choose to register it, you need to also have the permission slip to cross state lines.

Maybe they're the felons in the first place for creating treasonous acts that directly
conflict with the simple clear language of the second amendment.
The big problem is that THEY never suffer consequences when it is found even by the
U.S. Supreme court that THEY committed a violation of the Constitution by passing
UNCONSTITUTIONAL LAWS, yet WE ALWAYS SUFFER CONSEQUENCES for the
slightest unlawful infractions.
GOOD FOR THEE BUT NOT FOR ME

 

[Louisiana Shooter]

 

[Louisiana Shooter]