ATF BOMBSHELL re AR Pistol Braces

[dantiff2]

The real question here is: With over 40 million believed to be in circulation, is that enough to be considered "in common usage"? Everyone please go to this FPC link and send your state/ local reps the prewritten letter. Just fill out the small form on the right side of the page. Even if you don't own or use a braced weapon. This is just a stepping stone for the ATF...

Demand action to stop the ATF's pistol brace rule!

The ATF has published its new rule regarding pistol braces, impacting the 40 million+ braced firearms in circulation, crippling the braced pistol market, and potentially turning their owners i...

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[dantiff2]

And then you read things like this that get the blood to boil. It's okay for Hunter Biden though...
https://www.yahoo.com/news/man-had-more-200-firearms-204222869.html

 

[JTEX]

And then you read things like this that get the blood to boil. It's okay for Hunter Biden though...
https://www.yahoo.com/news/man-had-more-200-firearms-204222869.html

Hunter has democrat privelidge......and we have a two tiered legal system....

 

[dantiff2]

Hunter has democrat privelidge......and we have a two tiered legal system....

Regardless, the stupid Son of a B* video tapped himself with hookers and crack pipes in his mouth. The fact that anyone can get away with that, is some of the problems with the country today. What if that were Don Jr? HA! He'd be in a hole somewhere cause media would've buried him : (

Feds Arrest 110 People On Gun & Drug Charges, but Hunter Biden Gets a Pass!?

Still unconvinced that we non-Bidens have become 2nd-class citizens? Just look at how Joe’s idiot son, Hunter, has been treated by the DOJ. He lied on a Form 4473 & got caught!

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[BlueWater]

Actually, it takes a constitutional expert to correctly interpret the 2A today.
I mean I'm no expert, but the 2A is clearly not put there for hunting, sports, or even personal protection.

I'd like the following to be required reading for every single jurist hired in every state court and the federal courts, along with every legislator in the nation. It'd be a good start. (Of course, the sworn oath was supposed to be a good start ... and we all know how that's turned out. )

The Origin of the Second Amendment: A Documentary History of the Bill of Rights, 1787-1792, 2nd Edition, edited by David E. Young, published by Golden Oaks Books, 1995 (1st Ed) and 2001 (2nd Ed). (A great compendium of original, founding-era source documents that show what actually occurred and why, regarding the BOR and the 2A's prohibitions.)

The Founders' View Of The Right To Bear Arms: A Definitive History Of The Second Amendment, written by David E. Young, published by Golden Oaks Books, 2007. (Basically, a relatively short synopsis and analysis of The Origin Of The Second Amendment.)

It's something that would be useful for every single citizen to read, IMO. If for no other reason than to appreciate the blatant robbery of us that's occurring at the hands of the hired help.

 

[22BRGUY]

LAWS TO KNOW

 

[YEW PLUCKER]

There will be massive non-compliance with this new "rule". They may get a dozen stupid people to register their guns. That'll be about it. ATF will speak veiled threats about prosecution, but mostly, people will tell them to pound sand.

This new "rule" will NOT stand in Federal Court anyway. It is my conjecture that Congress will have to massively overhaul the NFA anyway.

The whole NFA is a house of cards. Now that we are post-Bruen, it can be brought down with the right case. Any lawyer should be able to tell you about the Derexel Furniture case from 1929. It was a child labor case and at issue was a burdensome Tax passed by Congress. What the Court said was, any statute purporting to be a tax measure, which is so burdensome that it inhibits commerce and thus raises no revenue, is not a tax but a prohibition, thus it is null and void.

That is exactly what the NFA did, but it was never challenged except for US V. miller. By then, Jack miller was already dead and nobody from the defense was there to argue the case.

The Court said, paraphrasing, "No one has shown us how a short barreled shotgun is a militia grade weapon, therefor, we cannot say the 2nd Amendment protects the right to own such a weapon".

Do you get it? The Court was saying, the 2nd Amendment protects Americans' RIGHT to own, specifically, Militia Grade weapons. Your H&H 470 Nitro might not be, but your BAR definitely is!

This MUST be cited in the next NFA case before the Court.

 

[Louisiana Shooter]

There will be massive non-compliance with this new "rule". They may get a dozen stupid people to register their guns. That'll be about it. ATF will speak veiled threats about prosecution, but mostly, people will tell them to pound sand.

This new "rule" will NOT stand in Federal Court anyway. It is my conjecture that Congress will have to massively overhaul the NFA anyway.

The whole NFA is a house of cards. Now that we are post-Bruen, it can be brought down with the right case. Any lawyer should be able to tell you about the Derexel Furniture case from 1929. It was a child labor case and at issue was a burdensome Tax passed by Congress. What the Court said was, any statute purporting to be a tax measure, which is so burdensome that it inhibits commerce and thus raises no revenue, is not a tax but a prohibition, thus it is null and void.

That is exactly what the NFA did, but it was never challenged except for US V. miller. By then, Jack miller was already dead and nobody from the defense was there to argue the case.

The Court said, paraphrasing, "No one has shown us how a short barreled shotgun is a militia grade weapon, therefor, we cannot say the 2nd Amendment protects the right to own such a weapon".

Do you get it? The Court was saying, the 2nd Amendment protects Americans' RIGHT to own, specifically, Militia Grade weapons. Your H&H 470 Nitro might not be, but your BAR definitely is!

This MUST be cited in the next NFA case before the Court.

So.......who's going to take it to court to find out if you're right?

So far, I see no one willing to do much unless it's going to make themselves some money. All the NRA and such organizations need the ATF to be around or they will lose a tremendous amount of money.

Our Constitution says a lot of things, but it's being eroded everyday and no one is doing much about it. Been going on for years. Gonna stay that way too. Why should they stop? Nothing is going to happen to them for violating the Constitution...... Nothing at all. Not from the courts, not from other politicians. Not even from the people who are governed. So why not trash it and see what you can get away with?

It's only going to get worse. I'm glad I only have a few more years left. Maybe 20 decent years left....if I'm lucky. Perhaps I can finish my life as a somewhat free man anyway. At least I hope so.

Property rights, free speech, 2A, states rights.........the list goes on and on.

 

[MUP]

The real question here is: With over 40 million believed to be in circulation, is that enough to be considered "in common usage"? Everyone please go to this FPC link and send your state/ local reps the prewritten letter. Just fill out the small form on the right side of the page. Even if you don't own or use a braced weapon. This is just a stepping stone for the ATF...

Demand action to stop the ATF's pistol brace rule!

The ATF has published its new rule regarding pistol braces, impacting the 40 million+ braced firearms in circulation, crippling the braced pistol market, and potentially turning their owners i...

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Done. And thank you for posting the contact link!

 

[justpassinthru]

Copied directly from their eform:

"To lawfully register the firearm to a trust, the trust must have possessed the firearm before January 13, 2023. Accordingly, you must submit with the application documentation that establishes the trust possessed the firearm before January 13, 2023."

The way I read this, by the time we were told of this requirement, it was too late to fulfill that requirement.
There are other options but a trust is the most popular.

This paragraph was a mistake and has since been removed from the eform.

 

[urbanrifleman]

Funny thing is.

The bill of rights supposedly protects us from the government.

But

We have no bill of rights to protect us from private companies. The same companies that have more power than the government. And in a very real sense, own the government.

SOOOO... If the government wants to take away people's rights, all they have to do is create a "public private partnership". And in doing so they can essentially farm out all the non constitutional behavior they want, and all the while claim "private property" as freedom.

It's quite brilliant this new communism.

 

[Louisiana Shooter]

Funny thing is.

The bill of rights supposedly protects us from the government.

But

We have no bill of rights to protect us from private companies. The same companies that have more power than the government. And in a very real sense, own the government.

SOOOO... If the government wants to take away people's rights, all they have to do is create a "public private partnership". And in doing so they can essentially farm out all the non constitutional behavior they want, and all the while claim "private property" as freedom.

It's quite brilliant this new communism.

They (our government) are trying to model the Chinese communists. Communism partnering with certain chosen businesses in order to dominate every one and everything.

Free enterprise and capitalism are the greatest wealth producers for the majority of people that has ever been conceived to this point.

I'm not a huge fan of totally unregulated capitalism BUT, I also don't want the prevailing attitude that capitalism is totally evil to give the government the reason to regulate capitalism out of existence. That is where this is all going. They don't even try to hide it anymore. Socialism is no longer a "bad word" to most Americans. It is perceived as good. The number one reason is because capitalism is perceived as bad.

Capitalism is at it's best in a moral society. It is at it's worst when there are no morals.....such as where our country is now headed. Capitalism isn't the problem, morals (lack of) is where the problem lies.

"Do unto others as you would have them do to you" has been replaced with "do unto others before they can do it to you". It's ALL about self gratification. Even the act of defending this nation and preserving our Constitution and our way of life is in serious jeopardy because of it.

There are very few willing to give their life for the sake of other's freedoms now. Our generation (Boomers) are not even willing to do it for our own kids and grand kids anymore. Just not enough of us that will do it to make a difference. Once we die off.............it's over.

"They" have won.

It's just a matter of time now before they have it all.

Welcome to extinction.

 

[urbanrifleman]

They (our government) are trying to model the Chinese communists. Communism partnering with certain chosen businesses in order to dominate every one and everything.

Free enterprise and capitalism are the greatest wealth producers for the majority of people that has ever been conceived to this point.

I'm not a huge fan of totally unregulated capitalism BUT, I also don't want the prevailing attitude that capitalism is totally evil to give the government the reason to regulate capitalism out of existence. That is where this is all going. They don't even try to hide it anymore. Socialism is no longer a "bad word" to most Americans. It is perceived as good. The number one reason is because capitalism is perceived as bad.

Capitalism is at it's best in a moral society. It is at it's worst when there are no morals.....such as where our country is now headed. Capitalism isn't the problem, morals (lack of) is where the problem lies.

"Do unto others as you would have them do to you" has been replaced with "do unto others before they can do it to you". It's ALL about self gratification. Even the act of defending this nation and preserving our Constitution and our way of life is in serious jeopardy because of it.

There are very few willing to give their life for the sake of other's freedoms now. Our generation (Boomers) are not even willing to do it for our own kids and grand kids anymore. Just not enough of us that will do it to make a difference. Once we die off.............it's over.

"They" have won.

It's just a matter of time now before they have it all.

Welcome to extinction.

Henry Ford said that he was not a capitalist, he said he was an industrialist. His company was the model that grew our country into the monster industrial base that it became. The Ford model was to create products give a man a job pay him well and he'll buy more products. Henry Ford in his autobiography specifically notes that he is not a capitalist. He said the capitalists were dangerous. International capitalism is the bane of all human beings. These are the companies that make money for the sake of money. They can even destroy entire economies and industries and still make money in fact they do it on purpose all the time. This word capitalism has become something that represents a system that was never American. This new system that is called American capitalism is simply Trotsky I capitalism. Destructive capitalism. Internationalist capitalism is communism there is no difference it's the same people. Communism in Russia was sponsored by people from New York City and London. The source of all communism and modern destructive capitalism is the same place.

 

[Louisiana Shooter]

I suppose we will have to define capitalism.

As I understand capitalism:

Capitalism is an economic system based on the private ownership of the means of production and their operation for profit. Central characteristics of capitalism include capital accumulation, competitive markets, price system, private property, property rights recognition, voluntary exchange, and wage labor......best definition I could find on the web that pretty much matches what I was taught about capitalism.

By this definition, I believe it to be the best system on the planet............AS LONG AS IT IS OPERATED WITH A (BIBLICAL) MORAL STANDARD. Otherwise, it becomes completely greed based and results in immoral monopolies.........such is the case when government combines with business. Such as what is being developed by our government in our nation right now. Government picks the winners and losers.

 

[USMCDOC]

 

[22BRGUY]

Funny thing is.

The bill of rights supposedly protects us from the government.

But

We have no bill of rights to protect us from private companies. The same companies that have more power than the government. And in a very real sense, own the government.

SOOOO... If the government wants to take away people's rights, all they have to do is create a "public private partnership". And in doing so they can essentially farm out all the non constitutional behavior they want, and all the while claim "private property" as freedom.

It's quite brilliant this new communism.

Technically I believe it's called fascism but in actuality it is just communism by a different
name.
The most modern name is called stakeholder capitalism by Klaus you know who.
It's all about big business and corporations in bed together with the government what ever the label.

 

[GuitarmanNick]

It is all a trap! This is one of the best explanations of why nobody should apply for a stamp under this "amnesty" program.

Only criminals get amnesty and if what you have was built legally and in compliance with the applicable laws when built, you are not a criminal!

 

[Onebad06VTX]

Other options including removing the stabilizing brace to return the firearm to a pistol or surrendering covered short-barreled rifles to ATF. Nothing in this rule bans stabilizing braces or the use of stabilizing braces on pistols........

I am having a problem comprehending this.

Wrong

 

[JTEX]

That is exactly what the NFA did, but it was never challenged except for US V. miller. By then, Jack miller was already dead and nobody from the defense was there to argue the case.

The Court said, paraphrasing, "No one has shown us how a short barreled shotgun is a militia grade weapon, therefor, we cannot say the 2nd Amendment protects the right to own such a weapon".

Do you get it? The Court was saying, the 2nd Amendment protects Americans' RIGHT to own, specifically, Militia Grade weapons. Your H&H 470 Nitro might not be, but your BAR definitely is!

This MUST be cited in the next NFA case before the Court.

That Sir is an excellent post. As brilliant (as I think I am) I have never quite put that together.....thank you for taking the time to type that.

 

[JTEX]

By this definition, I believe it to be the best system on the planet............AS LONG AS IT IS OPERATED WITH A (BIBLICAL) MORAL STANDARD. Otherwise, it becomes completely greed based and results in immoral monopolies.....

And I just wonder why we (meaning they) are so he'll bent on removing God from our culture????