ATF BOMBSHELL re AR Pistol Braces

[justpassinthru]

I don't believe this has been mentioned here yet. They already have a page up to start the process. It can be found under their eforms.

Justice Department Announces New Rule to Address Stabilizing Braces, Accessories Used to Convert Pistols into Short-Barreled Rifles

Today, the Department of Justice announced it has submitted to the Federal Register the “Stabilizing Braces” Final Rule, which makes clear that when manufacturers, dealers, and individuals use stabilizing braces to convert pistols into rifles with a barrel of less than 16 inches, commonly...

www.justice.gov

 

[The boogalorian]

I will look into it after I go fishing this morning.

Side note: I am going to save some time by cleaning my ar pistols while fishing.
WCPGW....

 

[The boogalorian]

 

[LVLAaron]

Whatever you do, DO NOT take the bait and "register for free"

 

[The boogalorian]

Why would you register a pistol brace? It was legal when I purchased it. The ATF cannot create law. This will go down in the courts, unfortunately it will take time.
I was in process of form 1 for my pistols anyway, but my point remains. They can go pound sand.

 

[LVLAaron]

You'd be registering an SBR. Not the brace itself.

 

[dantiff2]

I will look into it after I go fishing this morning.

Side note: I am going to save some time by cleaning my ar pistols while fishing.
WCPGW....

 

[6BRA]

Other options including removing the stabilizing brace to return the firearm to a pistol or surrendering covered short-barreled rifles to ATF. Nothing in this rule bans stabilizing braces or the use of stabilizing braces on pistols........

I am having a problem comprehending this.

 

[The boogalorian]

You'd be registering an SBR. Not the brace itself.

My apologies, I stand corrected.

ATF Unveils Pistol Brace Rule...Everything Is An SBR!

The ATF released its final rule surrounding pistol stabilizing devices killing off the market for the items unless court challenges prove successful.

www.ammoland.com

 

[justpassinthru]

Out of curiosity, I started the process of completing their form and was quickly overcome by things best read by a lawyer. They already know me anyway because of a stamp I have on a trust for a silencer. It said the gun you wish to register had to have been on the trust prior to 1/13 or something like that. HTH was I supposed to have known to put a gun on a trust before 1/13 when the rules hadn't even been published yet?
What happens if a gun with a brace is registered as an SBR then a regular stock is installed on the gun?
I have a whole lot of questions about this.

 

[LVLAaron]

What happens if a gun with a brace is registered as an SBR then a regular stock is installed on the gun?

Nothing. It's still an SBR. You're registering the lower. Not the stock.

 

[dantiff2]

I believe there are certain travel restrictions for SBR’s?

 

[justpassinthru]

Nothing. It's still an SBR. You're registering the lower. Not the stock.

It does seem that would be the case but I'm not so sure.
It's hard to believe there isn't something written that would cover that scenario.

 

[YEW PLUCKER]

An executive branch agency cannot redefine what a rifle is. Only Congress can do that.

This will get struck down.

 

[LVLAaron]

I believe there are certain travel restrictions for SBR’s?

Yes. You need a 5320. 20 to cross state lines.

 

[LVLAaron]

It does seem that would be the case but I'm not so sure.
It's hard to believe there isn't something written that would cover that scenario.

The point the ATF is making is that using a brace creates an SBR, not a pistol. Therefore, you need to properly register your SBR.

 

[3Sigma]

Yes. You need a 5320. 20 to cross state lines.

So, when I took my AR pistol deer hunting in another state 2 weeks ago it was Ok, now I need to get the ATFs permission to hunt on my own land under the restricted season?

GTFO

This is the first step to registering firearms. I see this as the trial to see if they can gain mass compliance. They don't care if it is constitutional or not... none of the states pulling out ban do either. There is zero consequence for them making up law by fiat, only that it has to be challenged then thrown out, wasting time and money.

 

[LVLAaron]

Well, once the rule goes into effect you're a felon either way. But if you choose to register it, you need to also have the permission slip to cross state lines.

 

[LVLAaron]

This is the first step to registering firearms.

First? lol

 

[Jdne5b]

So, when I took my AR pistol deer hunting in another state 2 weeks ago it was Ok, now I need to get the ATFs permission to hunt on my own land under the restricted season?

GTFO

This is the first step to registering firearms. I see this as the trial to see if they can gain mass compliance. They don't care if it is constitutional or not... none of the states pulling out ban do either. There is zero consequence for them making up law by fiat, only that it has to be challenged then thrown out, wasting time and money.

your AR Pistol will no longer be a pistol if you register it as an SBR. So no need to take it pistol hunting.