Tim Singleton
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15 of each
enough to shoot a 3 shot test on the sighter and have enough for the target and sighters you may need for it
Don't outspend them, but out work em!
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enough to shoot a 3 shot test on the sighter and have enough for the target and sighters you may need for it
Boy I did derail this sucker!
Nah, it all kinda circles back around. No problem on my end.
D Coots
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2 reasons why I shoot group.
First one is that's there's plenty of matches within 6 hours.
Second is because it is so easy.....
Good conversation Mike !! This dang puzzle of mine is spendy
for sure. What's the old say saying about not out spending them
but, "Keeping up with the Jones's"......LOL
Shooter13
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LOL Have you ever seen one that didn't in one way or another get derailed but out of merit will right itself and get back on track!
Mudcat
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Nice thing about shooting Palma......money doesnt factor into the game. Anyone with a half decent rifle, some proper burn rate powder, cheap Nosler 155s, can go out and hang with anyone, IF they can point the rifle in the same spot each time and read some wind. No equipment race there.
JEFFPPC
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D Coors, and for the same reason I shoot various score matches, there are a lot available in less than a 2hour drive. If they would all go away I would go shoot groups by myself or shoot my different rifles against each other at score targets. Forget about factory class will drag them in. The only thing that will drag them in is an inner desire to compete.For many years I only competed in offhand matches. No butt hooks, no slings or palm rests....rifle did not mean a whole lot compared to the guy driving it. So this is a good thread but I notice as far as I can tell no input from any group but the benchrest group I am not sure what the means.
There's been good feedback from long range guys early on in this thread, Jeff. And as for factory class, again, there was a time locally when we had almost as many in factory as we did in custom class, in UBR...and then look at ARA. It's not that there is a lack of desire from new shooters as the proof is there. It's more about promoting a factory class. It's easy for me and you to get lured into your thought process but we are exactly the people that need to keep an open mind to promoting factory. I disagree with anyone that says br has no place for a good factory class because I've seen it work when promoted AND I see what ARA is currently doing with it. Don't close your mind to factory but instead, change that mindset and encourage it. Yes, it absolutely takes an inner desire but much less than to jump in with both feet and a $5-10k investment just to decide if you like it or not in custom class! As for match proximity...I agree and I'm blessed...both of us are...to be in an area where there are multiple br matches within 2-3 hours drive. I shoot score largely because I prefer it over group or rimfire but if there were more group matches nearby, I'd shoot that too. As is, I can shoot most weekends shooting the game I like best within a couple of hours so I don't have to worry about that much at this time. If those ranges were group only, damn right I'd shoot group though. Rimfire has a lot of good folks but is a different animal too, so is group. Doesn't mean I wouldn't shoot either. I have shot all three as well as a little long range.
This thread, while I don't mind it drifting, isn't about that though. It's about buying wins vs putting in the work to make it happen. I think the same rules apply for all BR shooting and that the wins come from practicing BEST! And yes, good practice costs money but that's where wins are bought! Just my two cents...again. Lol!
Factory is a different animal in that regard because we can't control the quality of the gun as much as with any custom. There!
I think you're missing the boat by dismissing factory class, both short and longer term.
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JEFFPPC
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The problem with factory class no one wants a factory gun. Do this, add that, change this it never ends. This isn't factory it came from the factory custom shop so it is factory......it never ends? You can adjust the lousy trigger but now the gun fires closing the bolt or taking the safety off so let's allow an aftermarket trigger. I shot for 2 years in the IBS with a factory gun, almost. I put a Jewell trigger on it the second year. You can't shoot that in factory it cost more than I paid for my first used bench gun. Oh its a parts factory gun made from 4 other guns with with the best parts chosen from each and reassembled. You do the factory thing I will pass. Want to learn the game, come try out your favorite rifle, yes you'll be shooting against custom guns but if you like the came we will find you a used bench gun for less then today's high end "factory guns". New Sako 2689,00 on sale right now , it's not fair ,my Ruger American was 500.00. Look it up I just did, Accuflite Sports.
Jeff, you are wrong on just about all of that until you get to your last sentence or two. I won't argue that. Ubr does allow trigger change for the reasons you mentioned. Pm me if you want but let's get off the rant and back on subject or let it go. Nobody is forcing you to do anything so chill.
JEFFPPC
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Fine but I was not relating this to the UBR at all. I am talking about all the complaints I hear from those who want a "Factory Class", except they don't. So back on course.....its easier for many to spend rather than work. Actually to get in the upper tier in this game I think it takes some of each. The big thing I think holds some shooters back is constantly changing equipment including cartridges.
JEFFPPC
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In the almost 30 years I have been involved in this game I have seen one thing that I consider a major developement. It requires a little money and a little effort to learn. Yes bolts might be smoother and glass is available in higher power but the are just tweaking what's always been there. One thing...tuners.
JEFFPPC
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Hey SPJ, you better catch up. I have brass turned , loaded, and have been fire forming it all summer as foulers for two new barrels. When your fire forming this winter we will be having winter matches. I have left these matches when it's below zero but it's ok, us old Gray tops have no fear, just experiemce. Try or keep up young fellow, lol.
Mulligan
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JIM,I know I’m behind the curve. I’ll double my efforts…Hold on a minute.. what’s with leaving a match when its below zero ?
how do you
work with the grouchy old farts and change their ways? I understand you have some experience in that area.
CW
@gunsandgunsmithing Mike, I apologize for the derail..... just couldn't resist.
CW
Simply put, I don't care for prs style matches..They're not for everybody, young or old. I understand it's allure to some people. I'm just not one of them. I've done that type of shooting and I'm not knocking anybody that wants to do it. It's just a different game. Another thing...they like to shoot factory ammo and such..Kinda the opposite of what this thread is about. Kinda like circle track or drag racing. Both involve cars but similarities stop shortly after that.
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