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"Out Dated" .308 Win

INTJ said:
[stuff deleted] It's not so much of what cartridge is better or worse than another as it is what cartridge best fits the intended application. [more stuff deleted]
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That's the most important question. You may be able to shoot a 308 just fine, but its external ballistics aren't great and you can find many substitutes that you might shoot better. If you decouple the shooter expertise vs the external ballistics of cartridges that fit in the same short actions, then the likelihood of objectively selecting the 308 based on a priori and empirical considerations (absent rules that require it) are pretty low.
 
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My Rem 700 .308 off bipod, 100yds, 12x scope, 168smk with varget 3 different loads. Was just a quick and dirty work up. I believe far left was 42gr from memory without looking at notes.
 
mensajd said:
That's the most important question. You may be able to shoot a 308 just fine, but its external ballistics aren't great and you can find many substitutes that you might shoot better. If you decouple the shooter expertise vs the external ballistics of cartridges that fit in the same short actions, then the likelihood of objectively selecting the 308 based on a priori and empirical considerations (absent rules that require it) are pretty low.
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5,000 - 7,000+ rounds of barrel life for 308 vs. 1,200 - 2,000 rounds barrel life for faster smaller rounds. If you find a 308 combo that shoots well, then it might be the last barrel you buy for that gun.

When every aspect of the shooting activity is considered, the 308 is the perfect Goldilocks round.
 
Hohn said:
Fixed it for you:p
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"Every aspect" includes ammo, brass and bullet availability.

If you could find 7-08 in any gun shop, or brass literally littering the ground, or guarantee that necked down brass would freely chamber...then it would be a contender.
 
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Meangreen said:
5,000 - 7,000+ rounds of barrel life for 308 vs. 1,200 - 2,000 rounds barrel life for faster smaller rounds. If you find a 308 combo that shoots well, then it might be the last barrel you buy for that gun.

When every aspect of the shooting activity is considered, the 308 is the perfect Goldilocks round.
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So 308 is awesome based on your preferences/constraints. But as INTJ and I were noting, it may not be ideal if your application has different priority parameters. I don’t use pick-up brass or factory ammo so some of your priorities aren’t even on my radar. Shoot what you want to shoot but make informed decisions. If that’s 308, then more power to you!
 
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snert said:
One of my favorite past times is to sit close to a bench occupied by an AR shorty barrel with a red dot at 100 yards. its wonderful when they post a "Splash" target on their backer and use cheap binos to check whether the mag they just shot is "zero'd. I shoot my 22 LR 541T with subsonics next to them and after they do a mag dump on a target, I wait till they are shooting mag number 2 "fire for effect" after they "correct the red dot". i plunk a mag full in the center for them while they blast thru 30. They check the target, declare themselves the best shot to ever shoot their new mega blaster cause they have 5 in the little two inch dot in the center and they pack up and leave. It never ceases to amuse me
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That was YOU!!!????
Shoulda come back the next day and watch me burn out the barrel tryin for a repeat miracle. You woulda laughed your a$$ off. Oh yeah when i left that was you sitting further down.
Back to reloading....
 
My .308 happened when the barrel guys I go to could not sell a light weight .308, 10 twist barrel and made me a real good deal on it - seems like the customers wanted 6mm's and 6.5mms more and my 21 inch light weight .308 barrel would not have made a good .300 WM. Being real olde I don't like to tote heavy stuff and the dinky little .308 shoots real well up to 400 yards with 150 & 155 grain bullets.
 
This entire argument is foolish. Every new caliber is designed for a specific purpose. There is a place for both of these calibers and most others as well. The Creedmoor was intended primarily as a target round. The 308 was a killing round. Thus so many hunting rifles made for it as well as its military applications.

When the 308 first came to market, there were no high BC bullets around but for it's time and components it was and still is a very accurate round. The Creedmoor became very popular among younger shooters because of its splash ads. When Ruger hit the market with their PRP, many of the younger population fell in love with a concept. That being the sleeked design and the war like appearance.

The Creedmoor may have an advantage at 1,000 yards due to its better ballistics, at that distance. It is faster and has less drop, at that range. At 500 yards, it would be very hard to prove one is better than the other. It would mostly depend on the shooter. Even the .223 can give both a hard time at that range.

Many of the Creedmoor crowd are younger shooters. They have little or no experience in reloading and do not understand finely tuned loads. Most try to compare a Ruger PRP with its heavier barrel to a 700 Remington hunting rifle and its thin barrel. You can shoot five rounds in the Ruger and still not over heat it. The Remington will put the first round on the point of aim and the second round will most likely be very close but the third round could be an inch or more off. Fire the first two rounds and wait ten minutes and the third round will be touching the first two.

the above statement is my personal opinion on the subject matter. I am sure there are others who will disagree with me on certain aspects.
 
QUOTE="joshb, post: 37863322, member: 1293079"]I should have stopped there! I-probably dropped $30 grand since then, chasing the perfect group!:([/QUOTE]
Yes Josh. Don't yell Hi Ho Silver, you ain't the Lone Ranger.:D:D:rolleyes:o_O
 
Rustytigwire said:
That was YOU!!!????
Shoulda come back the next day and watch me burn out the barrel tryin for a repeat miracle. You woulda laughed your a$$ off. Oh yeah when i left that was you sitting further down.
Back to reloading....
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Nah, couldn't have been you. The guys I mess with are still at home on the couch being rugrat commando's, tellin that story over and over how dey popped dem caps right in da middle, and they do not reload, except "clips"
 
fyrewall said:
Don't think I ever will see a M60 in 6.5 CM.
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Not an M60, but these have already been accepted into the system and seen combat.

https://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2020/01/24/shot-2020-fn-mk48-light-machine-gun-in-6-5-creedmoor/

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