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COVID-19 Map worldwide, with statistics

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Toby Bradshaw said:
Especially if you fairly compare how influenza and COVID-19 deaths are counted by the CDC.

When was the last time that seasonal flu victims had to be stored in rented refrigerated trucks in hospital parking lots, and funeral homes were packing the corpses into U-Hauls?
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When was the last time that only two states, NY and NJ, accounted for roughly half of all US epidemic or pandemic deaths? I honestly don't know, but it seems a fair question.

Since you mentioned CDC counting:

Ashish K. Jha, director of the Harvard Global Health Institute, says that CDC is failing in its traditional role as a national clearinghouse for data:

Since the beginning of the Covid-19 pandemic, the CDC has been inexplicably absent, and Americans are suffering and dying for it.
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Want to know how many tuberculosis cases there were in the U.S. last year? Ask the CDC. Want to know about health-care-associated infections? Ask the CDC. It knows.

But ask how many Covid-19 tests have been done, and the CDC’s doesn’t have an answer. Want a daily update on how many people are getting hospitalized for Covid-19? The CDC isn’t tracking it. Want to know if social distancing is making a difference? The CDC doesn’t know.

During this pandemic, when accurate, timely, nationwide information is the lifeblood of our response, the CDC has largely disappeared.

Much more here:

https://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2020/05/the-cdc-is-awol.php
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INTJ said:
In the USA, leaders can only govern by the consent of the governed. The governed will only consent when the leaders take reasonable and sound actions. In most circumstances voting is how the governed express their lack of consent. In special circumstances they protest, like we are seeing now.

When the virus first appeared no one really know how to respond. Thus it was reasonable to take the extreme measures that we did. Even those of who know models are junk were willing to go along initially.

However, the data coming in now clearly shows the models were beyond junk, our "experts" were enormously wrong, and the drive to keep thing shut down is mostly political.

I do not know who is being polled, but I do know polls are nearly always skewed to get the desired result. These polls say something like 80% of people don't want things opened up too quickly. I have not come across anyone who thinks that way.

For those who are afraid, they need to use reason instead of emotion and look at the data, the history of respiratory viruses, and the modus operandi of the progressive left.
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No one I know answers pollsters including myself. Those I do know are of a similar mind to me. As to who answers polls, there is a reason why everyone was convinced that Hillary was going to win the election long before the election was ever conducted. The polls told them so. Who do you think was picking up the phone.

I just got off the phone with a young friend of mine. He's living in Houston and he's pissed about the push back associated with opening the economy. He's a 20 something software professional working from home. He was telling me that a lot of his neighbors in his apartment complex have no food or money to pay rent. Those that do are buying food for the rest. Far from people not wanting to open up, people are becoming angry over the closer. I talked the kid off a cliff by telling him that at least he is in Texas which is starting to open up. He could still be living in Washington which passed the crisis a while back and bent the curve to almost 0 yet the governor just extended the stay at home order for everyone but those who contribute to his campaign.
 
ronsatspokane said:
No one I know answers pollsters including myself. Those I do know are of a similar mind to me. As to who answers polls, there is a reason why everyone was convinced that Hillary was going to win the election long before the election was ever conducted. The polls told them so. Who do you think was picking up the phone.

I just got off the phone with a young friend of mine. He's living in Houston and he's pissed about the push back associated with opening the economy. He's a 20 something software professional working from home. He was telling me that a lot of his neighbors in his apartment complex have no food or money to pay rent. Those that do are buying food for the rest. Far from people not wanting to open up, people are becoming angry over the closer. I talked the kid off a cliff by telling him that at least he is in Texas which is starting to open up. He could still be living in Washington which passed the crisis a while back and bent the curve to almost 0 yet the governor just extended the stay at home order for everyone but those who contribute to his campaign.
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Yes, the authoritarian nature of progressive governors--that many of us knew was there--has been highlighted during all this.
 
It's just as well you three aren't a representative sample of the population! (on any facet)

Best of luck guys
 
WA's stay at home order extended till end of May.

Here's the silver lining:

Think of all the house projects that'll get done in this time.
I'm just glad I'll be able to finish annealing all that brass.

That and I'm looking forward to one more month of no gym and a ton of drinking ;-)
 
SGK said:
It's just as well you three aren't a representative sample of the population! (on any facet)

Best of luck guys
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It wouldn't matter if I was the only one. Groupthink is not my thing......

Actually, the burden is on you as to why this respiratory virus, that seems very similar to most of this type of virus, requires shutting down the economy as if it were a new strain of Smallpox or the Plague......
 
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This graph of Colorado says it all. Please note these are cumulative numbers not current. The state appears to refuse to disclose the number of current hospitalizations. Suffice it to say the temporary hospital in downtown Denver has not, apparently, seen one patient. What does this tell an educated viewer?

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praveen said:
WA's stay at home order extended till end of May.

Here's the silver lining:

Think of all the house projects that'll get done in this time.
I'm just glad I'll be able to finish annealing all that brass.

That and I'm looking forward to one more month of no gym and a ton of drinking ;-)
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You need to do the run across the border to America to reload your booze stash. Over here we are engaged in a citizen driven restart. You are welcome to join the movement.
 
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"How Treatable Is Covid-19?":

A group of critical care physicians representing the University of Tennessee, the University of Wisconsin, Eastern Virginia Medical School, the University of Texas and a number of other institutions have formed the Front Line COVID-19 Critical Care Consortium and released a bulletin setting out a recommended treatment protocol. The protocol is based largely on the fact that it is not the virus, but the body’s reaction to the virus, that kills patients:

It is the severe inflammation sparked by the Coronavirus, not the virus itself, that kills patients. Inflammation causes a new variety of Acute Respiratory Distress Syndrome (ARDS), which damages the lungs.

Practicing doctors are highly familiar with inflammatory conditions and a number of known treatments have been adapted to COVID-19. The linked bulletin advocates early intervention–the key–using Vitamin C, heparin, Methylprednisolone and Hydroxychloroquine.

https://media2-production.mightynet...ing_Covid-19_in_ER_2_-_April_6_2020_final.pdf

Dr. Paul Marik, Chief of Pulmonary and Critical Care Medicine at the Eastern Virginia Medical School, published a Critical Care Management Protocol along similar lines. As a prophylaxis (preventive) measure, Dr. Marik recommends a combination of Vitamin C, Vitamin D, zinc and melatonin. Dr. Malik notes that “[w]hile there is no high level evidence that this cocktail is effective; it is cheap, safe and widely available.”

It is our collective opinion that the historically high levels of morbidity and mortality from COVID-19 is due to a single factor: the widespread and inappropriate reluctance among intensivists to employ anti-inflammatory and anticoagulant treatments, including corticosteroid therapy early in the course of a patient’s hospitalization. It is essential to recognize that it is not the virus that is killing the patient, rather it is the patient’s overactive immune system. The flames of the “cytokine fire” are out of control and need to be extinguished. Providing supportive care (with ventilators that themselves stoke the fire) and waiting for the cytokine fire to burn itself out simply does not work… this approach has FAILED and has led to the death of tens of thousands of patients.

Read the entire bulletin (including treatment protocols) here:

https://www.evms.edu/media/evms_pub...cine/EVMS_Critical_Care_COVID-19_Protocol.pdf

This all appears to make sense. So why have not these lifesaving techniques been more widely adopted?

The systematic failure of critical care systems to adopt corticosteroid therapy resulted from the published recommendations against corticosteroids use by the World Health Organization (WHO), the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC), and the American Thoracic Society (ATS) among others. A very recent publication by the Society of Critical Care Medicine and authored one of the members of our group (UM), identified the errors made by these organizations in their analyses of corticosteroid studies based on the findings of the SARS and H1N1 pandemics. Their erroneous recommendation to avoid corticosteroids in the treatment of COVID-19 has led to the development of myriad organ failures which have overwhelmed critical care systems across the world.

Our treatment protocol targeting these key pathologies has achieved near uniform success, if begun within 6 hours of a COVID19 patient presenting with shortness of breath or needing ≥ 4L/min of oxygen. If such early initiation of treatment could be systematically achieved, the need for mechanical ventilators and ICU beds will decrease dramatically.

It seems to be increasingly clear that both the World Health Organization and the Centers for Disease Control have been worse than useless in the present epidemic. Happily, front-line doctors are learning from experience what treatments can be helpful. As they continue to share information, it is reasonable to expect that fatalities associated with the Wuhan virus will decline. A consensus as to effective treatment is likely to reached long before a vaccine is available.

Original full article:
https://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2020/05/how-treatable-is-covid-19.php
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brians356 said:
"How Treatable Is Covid-19?":

A group of critical care physicians representing the University of Tennessee, the University of Wisconsin, Eastern Virginia Medical School, the University of Texas and a number of other institutions have formed the Front Line COVID-19 Critical Care Consortium and released a bulletin setting out a recommended treatment protocol. The protocol is based largely on the fact that it is not the virus, but the body’s reaction to the virus, that kills patients:

It is the severe inflammation sparked by the Coronavirus, not the virus itself, that kills patients. Inflammation causes a new variety of Acute Respiratory Distress Syndrome (ARDS), which damages the lungs.

Practicing doctors are highly familiar with inflammatory conditions and a number of known treatments have been adapted to COVID-19. The linked bulletin advocates early intervention–the key–using Vitamin C, heparin, Methylprednisolone and Hydroxychloroquine.

https://media2-production.mightynet...ing_Covid-19_in_ER_2_-_April_6_2020_final.pdf

Dr. Paul Marik, Chief of Pulmonary and Critical Care Medicine at the Eastern Virginia Medical School, published a Critical Care Management Protocol along similar lines. As a prophylaxis (preventive) measure, Dr. Marik recommends a combination of Vitamin C, Vitamin D, zinc and melatonin. Dr. Malik notes that “[w]hile there is no high level evidence that this cocktail is effective; it is cheap, safe and widely available.”

It is our collective opinion that the historically high levels of morbidity and mortality from COVID-19 is due to a single factor: the widespread and inappropriate reluctance among intensivists to employ anti-inflammatory and anticoagulant treatments, including corticosteroid therapy early in the course of a patient’s hospitalization. It is essential to recognize that it is not the virus that is killing the patient, rather it is the patient’s overactive immune system. The flames of the “cytokine fire” are out of control and need to be extinguished. Providing supportive care (with ventilators that themselves stoke the fire) and waiting for the cytokine fire to burn itself out simply does not work… this approach has FAILED and has led to the death of tens of thousands of patients.

Read the entire bulletin (including treatment protocols) here:

https://www.evms.edu/media/evms_pub...cine/EVMS_Critical_Care_COVID-19_Protocol.pdf

This all appears to make sense. So why have not these lifesaving techniques been more widely adopted?

The systematic failure of critical care systems to adopt corticosteroid therapy resulted from the published recommendations against corticosteroids use by the World Health Organization (WHO), the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC), and the American Thoracic Society (ATS) amongst others. A very recent publication by the Society of Critical Care Medicine and authored one of the members of our group (UM), identified the errors made by these organizations in their analyses of corticosteroid studies based on the findings of the SARS and H1N1 pandemics. Their erroneous recommendation to avoid corticosteroids in the treatment of COVID-19 has led to the development of myriad organ failures which have overwhelmed critical care systems across the world.

Our treatment protocol targeting these key pathologies has achieved near uniform success, if begun within 6 hours of a COVID19 patient presenting with shortness of breath or needing ≥ 4L/min of oxygen. If such early initiation of treatment could be systematically achieved, the need for mechanical ventilators and ICU beds will decrease dramatically.

It seems to be increasingly clear that both the World Health Organization and the Centers for Disease Control have been worse than useless in the present epidemic. Happily, front-line doctors are learning from experience what treatments can be helpful. As they continue to share information, it is reasonable to expect that fatalities associated with the Wuhan virus will decline. A consensus as to effective treatment is likely to reached long before a vaccine is available.

Original full article:
https://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2020/05/how-treatable-is-covid-19.php
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It's the cytokine storm that my brother (who is a medical professional and worked the ER for a couple decades) was most worried about before this pandemic blew up. They were also a big concern with the H1N1 scare. It is essentially an immune system over reaction to the infection. I've read that some patients are being treated with immunosuppresents the like of which are used to treat transplant patients to prevent organ rejection. The results sounded promising. No doubt that in the final analysis a lot of mistakes in treatment will be surfaced but a lot will have been learned as well. Sadly, some of this has been learned before. Cytokine storms are nothing new and treatment of them has been known for years.
 
“I think if we are to reach a new normal, I think in many ways Sweden represents a future model — if we wish to get back to a society in which we don’t have lockdowns.”

Dr. Mike Ryan
Executive Director, Emergencies Program
World Health Organization
29 April 2020
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sdean said:
There you go. All the people that decided to die of natural causes last two months just needed to be taking D3. Who knew?
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A lot of them did, no doubt. Good call. That's why my doctor for the past five years calls out 4000 IU daily of D3 for me, based on a serum Vitamin D test in my annual blood panel. D is essential for immune system function, and nearly all older folk in mid to high latitudes are deficient, especially the obese and melanistic. Fully fifteen years ago I offhandedly asked my dermatologist for any recommendation on diet or supplements. He answered without pause "Vitamin D." "Good for the skin?" I asked. "Good for everything" he replied, "Just take it."
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INTJ said:
Actually, the burden is on you as to why this respiratory virus, that seems very similar to most of this type of virus, requires shutting down the economy as if it were a new strain of Smallpox or the Plague......
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No. No more so than the burden is on you to prove that doing nothing wouldn't have led to a much worse result. We don't get to observe parallel versions of reality.

I see the COVID forecasting model used by the US government now projects a 95% confidence interval range of between 95,092 and 242,890 deaths by August 4, revised upward (unsurprisingly) due to “rising mobility in most U.S. states as well as the easing of social distancing measures expected in 31 states by May 11, indicating that growing contacts among people will promote transmission of the coronavirus”.

https://covid19.healthdata.org/united-states-of-america

The good news is NPI have slowed the rate of infection and death. That was the easy bit. Now the hard part begins... Best of luck.

PS: The guy I mentioned some time ago, the fit 49 year old cardiologist I know from my gym, died from it last weekend after 3 weeks in intensive care. He had no particular risk factors.
 
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