Exactly. If you read my post you didn’t comprehend it. I’ve had glocks a fired many of them and even smithed them.
You seem confused on the bug/feature aspect.
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You seem confused on the bug/feature aspect.
Dusty Stevens
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Do you blame the lack of a limiter on a corvette when a drunk driver plows into a bridge piling? How bout blaming/ suing a gun company when one of their guns shoots up a crowd?
It's happened !!!
Believe it or not, most cops do not stand in front of a mirror and practice quick draw. Even if they did, the amount of times they are forced to draw a weapon are rare. To attain that kind of muscle memory requires constant practice. Stay away from the range for a few months and you will most likely not like your score.
Before Glock, most of the country armed it's police officers with revolvers. One of the reasons Baltimore City went to Glock was it needed no additional action, by the officer to fire it.
I have never heard of an accidental discharge with this weapon. There have many negligent discharges. Just like any other widely distributed weapon, people are the problem.
I was a Glock hater also but about 7+ years ago I switched and will never go back to anything else.... A friend that's a trainer has a gen 2 with a documented 250,000+ rounds through it , it was his loaner gun for thousand round courses... My carry has at least 10,000+ through it and zero problems... He talked me into it and I am sure glad he did.... Now I have several Glocks...
My first experience with one was a gen 1 when they were brand new and it wouldn't fire and was a duty weapon that another LEO asked me to try... For decades I had nothing good to say about them... I wish I would have given them a try years ago because I have seen lemons in everything since... I had a Springfield Armory 1911 that was a total POS that made me switch to Glock so I am glad I got it I guess but it gave me a decade of trouble , was sent to everybody but Springfield because I couldn't ever get anyone on the phone...you would think I would have learned my lesson but after that and at my age I will probably never own another Springfield although I have shot many friends Springfield whatevers with no problems...
I guess to each their own and whatever works for you is the best gun out their....I am an RO at my local range and I know people with hi-points who love them... I have seen them shoot them with no problems or else I wouldn't believe it either.... Most people who bash a certain brand I have found over the years have never owned that brand or shot more than a few mags if that many through one... After awhile I figured out alot of us shoot more in a week than most people shoot in a year or even longer , but those are the people with the loudest opinions and the worst targets...lol
My first experience with one was a gen 1 when they were brand new and it wouldn't fire and was a duty weapon that another LEO asked me to try... For decades I had nothing good to say about them... I wish I would have given them a try years ago because I have seen lemons in everything since... I had a Springfield Armory 1911 that was a total POS that made me switch to Glock so I am glad I got it I guess but it gave me a decade of trouble , was sent to everybody but Springfield because I couldn't ever get anyone on the phone...you would think I would have learned my lesson but after that and at my age I will probably never own another Springfield although I have shot many friends Springfield whatevers with no problems...
I guess to each their own and whatever works for you is the best gun out their....I am an RO at my local range and I know people with hi-points who love them... I have seen them shoot them with no problems or else I wouldn't believe it either.... Most people who bash a certain brand I have found over the years have never owned that brand or shot more than a few mags if that many through one... After awhile I figured out alot of us shoot more in a week than most people shoot in a year or even longer , but those are the people with the loudest opinions and the worst targets...lol
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We did quite a bit of training when I worked in my career LE job. Of all the training we did with pistols, the simmunition training was the most effective and offered the best muscle memory of all. Scenarios are tough to beat. Pumping gas scenarios, stop light scenarios, routine stop scenarios, domestic situations etc all used with this training and it's just the best training out there for LE. We did several per year as well as qualifying and range training. Let's face it, the more you train for scenarios you'll encounter, the more natural the act will be when confronted with it. Just like using defense management techniques. Most people get training for personal defense but never practice or use it besides the mandatory training annually. If it's practiced and used frequently, it will be a natural response to an assault or threat by an offender. The result of your efforts will be the outcome of the incident.
bpd459
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Greetings,
I carried a 1911 on duty, for 27 of my 30 years of LE, and 6 years in the military. I was one of those guys that practiced all the time. I shot the gun games too. The safety was never an issue - for me - at all. A lot of LE feel the firearm is a necessary evil and do not dedicate the amount of training they should. A lot don't touch their firearm unless they are on the clock. The user needs to use a tools features to get the best out it and of themselves. Failure to do so, is failure.
That said, I carry a G19.....
Take care and stay safe,
John
I carried a 1911 on duty, for 27 of my 30 years of LE, and 6 years in the military. I was one of those guys that practiced all the time. I shot the gun games too. The safety was never an issue - for me - at all. A lot of LE feel the firearm is a necessary evil and do not dedicate the amount of training they should. A lot don't touch their firearm unless they are on the clock. The user needs to use a tools features to get the best out it and of themselves. Failure to do so, is failure.
That said, I carry a G19.....
Take care and stay safe,
John
It's no surprise to me when you say you practiced all the time. I did as well. Not only with the state funding my ammo but funding my own training routine on my time. You've obviously worked with staff that never shot a pistol prior to their duty with LE. Those same staff don't shoot other than when re-qual is mandated. Their doing themselves and their partners a huge injustice. We as firearm owners, users and hobbyists of the game are familiarized well with weapons. With all the busy things going on in the lives of people, I do understand their lack of additional familiarization of firearms or training with them. It's just something that is part of my everyday life and sounds like yours as well. We're lucky because these things are routine to us. Not so much for others. You react how you train. That applies to the weapon you train with. Train with what you use. Don't train with a non duty pistol that's different than you use at work. Vice versa. If you have a duty pistol, use that while training off duty. Those that carry and don't carry for duty purposes, use what makes you confident or comfortable and train with that pistol.
Thank you for your service!
Many times I told people to try IDPA. The local club would let LEOs use their duty rigs and it was fun and good training but sadly a lot of the LEOs saw their quarterly qualifications as a necessary evil, shoot just well enough to pass and wait another 3 months. Shot in a couple of police games and great fun as well. I always said the more and the better you shoot, the more instinctually you'll react in a bad situation. We had people that were literally afraid to shoot, don't know why they chose LE as a career.
Quick story, pulled up next to a guy walking down a dirt road, he walked I idled along just talking. He was evasive in his answers and wouldn't look at me. He made a quick move for his belt cross draw style, he was wearing a jacket, next thing was him looking at my pistol and he froze. He had nothing, no weapon, minor criminal history, just made a bad move. Since he had nothing I let him go on but I was amazed at me for unholstering as quick as I did based on his action. This was a revolver in a Davis straight drop thumb break holster. Point being practice, practice, practice, then more practice with what you carry.
Glocks, love them, hate them, they got them. I'll see what my sources tell me about how they're doing once they get in the field.
Quick story, pulled up next to a guy walking down a dirt road, he walked I idled along just talking. He was evasive in his answers and wouldn't look at me. He made a quick move for his belt cross draw style, he was wearing a jacket, next thing was him looking at my pistol and he froze. He had nothing, no weapon, minor criminal history, just made a bad move. Since he had nothing I let him go on but I was amazed at me for unholstering as quick as I did based on his action. This was a revolver in a Davis straight drop thumb break holster. Point being practice, practice, practice, then more practice with what you carry.
Glocks, love them, hate them, they got them. I'll see what my sources tell me about how they're doing once they get in the field.
And that high round count Gen 2 is a ?????? 17?
G19 I believe....I don't think he has a 17.... He probably has 6 19s though... He is a Glock armor and the pistol was checked by the Glock rep for that state department and found to still be in spec.... To me it's amazing.... The only thing he changed was a main spring.... Now sits in his safe.... Have to agree with alot of the post about Leo's not shooting enough , when I was doing that job I shot all the time... I shoot more now than then... I still carry a ALS system holster and I can get it out as fast as I could 30 years ago , maybe faster...
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Anyone who's spent enough trigger time behind Glocks knows not all Glock's are created equal.
I have two g19s alone , the one I carry has a trigger that's far worse than my other and that's why I carry it , there's no chance of an AD with that trigger... And I assure you I have put thousands and thousands of rounds through Glocks , at least 10,000+ through the one I carry daily with zero problems... Do you own one..?
No at all what I meant, different models and cartridges. That's why I questioned the model. And 10,000's a baby it aint even broken in yet.
Lol , I was going to say that but wasn't trying to start anything... It's really just now breaking in... Really no wear , just inside finish wear on the slide from the barrel.. I did change the extractor for the ten thousand round service since it is a carry gun but I did save the parts because there wasn't anything wrong with them.. Glock haters just won't believe that... I made a believer out of my neighbor who's retired Leo and he now has more Glocks than I do....
I have really been thinking about a g20 in 10mm but that's really a different animal... But ohh boy what an animal...
Sorry , I took your post wrong... I have just given up arguing the glock vs 1911 vs whatever debate... I believe in anyone's opinion if it's one of accuracy.... Not just hate , uhggg that's gotten so old I hate to chime in anymore....
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To say it's a beast is a relative term. I own a couple 10mm pistols. My G20 is quite a pistol. Does it compare to the 460, 454, 44 mag...No, not in power per round. As a complete fire power package, absolutely. I use the Taran tactical 5+ round mag extension offering 20 rounds of 220 grain hardcore ammo in one package. I replaced the factory barrel with a 6" custom barrel giving considerable more energy and more velocity. Very manageable recoil a very accurate set up. It's a handful literally. Meaning it's a large frame pistol not fitting of everyone's hand. It's my bear country woods pistol and carry gun while hunting in most cases. I have no desire to carry it in any other scenario.
The 460 , 454 and 500 are a bit much for me I am sure they have their place for sure I just have never wanted to punish my wrist that much.... I used to enjoy playing around with the 44 mag when I was younger because it was a handful but they have gotten out of control now...lol
Sounds like you got your g20 tuned up very nice , I have been pondering the Taran tactical mags for the wife's g43 ... I have heard some good things about their +1-2 mags.... We don't have bears here but we do have wild hogs O plenty I figured the 10mm would handle them nicely and with the hicap mags and fairly easy recoil it would be a good choice.... I just haven't made my mind up.... I started shooting skeet again and after the Beretta over and under I could have bought a few new Glocks easy , maybe all of them...lol
I'll tell you how well the 10mm performs on a boar. I shot a 440 lb boar facing me and the 220 grain bullet exited the rear ham below the tail. Never recovered the bullet but the boar dropped on impact. It's a nasty dose of lead
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