CBP picks Glock for new handgun

[Nick Caprinolo]

Well, that's not what you actually said. You said if the "user" pulls the trigger. Hence my request for clarification.

I've owed glocks, I think they're great. But a striker fired gun has inherent pros and cons that should be matched to a specific application. For example: How do you decock a striker fired gun after use? For actual law enforcement use, it's very VERY useful to not have a cocked and chambered weapon when trying to reholster in the adrenaline-loaded aftermath of an actual shooting. The most dangerous thing most people will do with a Glock or other striker gun is reholster it.


I've come full circle. I started on Glocks, went to a Sig P320, now I'm shooting DA CZs. I find the DA more versatile and useful for my SD usage. I get the safety and "oops" margin of a heavier DA first shot, an option for consistent and light SA (just manually cock), an easy decock.

Not saying I'm right or anyone is wrong. But after hating DA guns for a long time, I'm now a late convert.

Have you actually handled a Glock or striker type weapon. There is no such thing as de-cocking a Glock. The moment you put a round in the chamber it is cocked and will sty that way until you first remove the mag and then pull the slide to eject the bullet. Then you must pull the trigger in order to de-cock the weapon. The idea of this design is to have a weapon ready to fire the moment you get it in your hand. The safety is in the trigger and that's it.

 

[dickn52]

And that is a winner...Nick wins.

 

[284winner]

You were close. You had the first part of the statement right: "Let's face it, there's only one reason that 95% of all law enforcement agencies have the Glock pistol in their officers holsters:"

But that reason is cost. Glock practically gives them away for LEO pricing. A department can buy glocks and sell them used as police trade in for nearly the same price. Add to that the durability and low maintenance, and equipping a department with Glock is almost always the lowest cost solution overall.

It happens to be that they are also superbly reliable and dependable. But that's not the main reason departments use them. If there was someone offering a comparable pistol for less, they'd use that. But it's really tough to beat Glock on cost of mfg. Based on my knowledge of machining and molding costs in volume, I'd stand confidently by the assertion that GLOCK has less than $100 in each standard frame gun they sell. (17/19/22/23/31/32).

ETA-- incidentally, the lowball price is ultimately why SIG got the military contract over GLOCK for the M17/18 pistols. They out-glocked GLOCK.

It's the main reason my state went to them. Can't speak for others. We wanted a more reliable and higher capacity pistol and did research on which is the best option. We had Sig Sauer pistols and Glock after years using the Sigs, proved to be a better reliable option. Sure they were cheaper when we switched out but the Glocks were available when we opted for Sigs. Glocks have been the most reliable regardless. People were just scared to purchase thousands of plastic pistols in the late 80s for duty use. I know we were. I was an armorer for our Post and owned Glocks from their introduction here. I tried getting our buyer to look at the Glocks. No way, they just didn't have confidence in them. It's also a bonus that the Glocks are easy on the pocketbook. My cost for them is 358.00. Damn hard to beat.

 

[1lnbrdg]

S&W Model 59, that was a pistol I didn't like. Yes, it fired every time but couldn't hit anything with it. Well, I never did try throwing it at a target but you get the gist.

 

[284winner]

I also understand many people buy pistols based on cost and have disappointed in the results. Let's face it, for people uneducated on products but driven by cost, it's a no brainer. After all the years of Glocks being out and there reliability record, it's just a huge bonus that Glocks are the most reliable. So I guess what I'm saying is, they've proven themselves for so long that it's the main reason that's why they are purchased today by anybody. Let's face it, it's not because there pretty. I love the looks and feels of my Colt 1911s BUT I wouldn't ever carry it over any of my Glocks for protection of me and family. Plain and simple.

 

[BountyHunter]

You cant even get a striker fired pistol to go off accidentally if something breaks.

Unless it has a firing pin block yes you can. All it takes is a drop or hit to drive the pin forward. It is amazing people forget the firing pin and it can go forward. I have even seen a 1911 go off in a flap holster with safety on, no one touching it. Turned out a weak firing pin spring.

 

[dickn52]

Unless it has a firing pin block yes you can. All it takes is a drop or hit to drive the pin forward.

Not so in my practice. We damaged the hell out our test weapons at Ft Benning and never had an AD.

 

[BountyHunter]

Not so in my practice. We damaged the hell out our test weapons at Ft Benning and never had an AD.

Never thought Benning School for Boys was the real world anyway. Doubt you had any that set in a storage depot for 20 years after years of use and then resissued. After this incident, out of the 125 we had, over 1/3 had extremely weak springs and we replicated it happening. This one went off in a flap holster of the driver, while driving, the duece and half front end slightly bottomed going into a ditch. That is all it took. The 1911 fired with flap fastened and no one touching it. When you say it cannot happen, it will happen.

 

[BP1]

You hit the nail on the head. I’ve read that a Glock costs 1/3 the mfg. cost of a P226.

I believe that..I like my glock 34 but love my sig p226 legion

 

[JimT]

I believe that..I like my glock 34 but love my sig p226 legion

I’ve got a P229 Legion in .357 Sig and love it. Have 3 Glocks and 3 Sigs, can’t even remember the last time any of the Glocks made it out of the safe.

 

[243Mendoza]

FBI didn't pull the triggers. The officers did and only because it's required by Glock prior to cleaning.

So you are saying that Glock requires to pull the trigger on a chambered round to disassemble the pistol?

 

[243Mendoza]

1911A1 anyone? Yeah I know.

Springfield Micro 45ACP

 

[338 dude]

Have you actually handled a Glock or striker type weapon. There is no such thing as de-cocking a Glock. The moment you put a round in the chamber it is cocked and will sty that way until you first remove the mag and then pull the slide to eject the bullet. Then you must pull the trigger in order to de-cock the weapon. The idea of this design is to have a weapon ready to fire the moment you get it in your hand. The safety is in the trigger and that's it.

Two passive safeties internal hence the name safe action with the trigger three safeties in total https://us.glock.com/en/learn/glock-pistols/safe-action-system

 

[338 dude]

Unless it has a firing pin block yes you can. All it takes is a drop or hit to drive the pin forward. It is amazing people forget the firing pin and it can go forward. I have even seen a 1911 go off in a flap holster with safety on, no one touching it. Turned out a weak firing pin spring.

Look at my post on this page it is from Glock the people that designed this pistol and there is a plunger blocking the firing pin until the trigger is squeezed.I believe Dusty Stevens worked on enough guns I will take his advice over yours any day

 

[BountyHunter]

Look at my post on this page it is from Glock the people that designed this pistol and there is a plunger blocking the firing pin until the trigger is squeezed.I believe Dusty Stevens worked on enough guns I will take his advice over yours any day

Then the firing pin is blocked. That is what I said.

 

[338 dude]

You have quoted so many different hypothetical situations different pistols that you discredit yourself you were just baiting looking for an argument and I wish you would stop it

 

[BountyHunter]

You have quoted so many different hypothetical situations different pistols that you discredit yourself you were just baiting looking for an argument and I wish you would stop it

Hypothetical, not hardly. Actually happened with the 1911. I never said glocks did not have a firing pin block. Read what I said. The fact is that glocks require the trigger to be pulled to disassemble. That is an undisputed fact That is many times the leading factor and yes that is an operator error totally 100% of the time. However, that design is also leading factor to that operator error. Buy a glock or do not. With enough rounds downrange you get used to the grip angle. IMO there are many other quality pistols today that are better but often more expensive.

 

[Dusty Stevens]

Hypothetical, not hardly. Actually happened with the 1911. I never said glocks did not have a firing pin block. Read what I said. The fact is that glocks require the trigger to be pulled to disassemble. That is an undisputed fact That is many times the leading factor and yes that is an operator error totally 100% of the time. However, that design is also leading factor to that operator error. Buy a glock or do not. With enough rounds downrange you get used to the grip angle. IMO there are many other quality pistols today that are better but often more expensive.

If you were able to get to the back of the firing pin you could hit it with a hammer and it wouldnt go off- one of the 3 safeties. The spring is not compressed at rest so a weak spring or not even a spring on the firing pin period (take it out) and it still wont go off. Pretty good design (copied from an 80 series colt btw).

 

[Nick Caprinolo]

Really, the popularity of the Glock among Law Enforcement Officers is the fact they do not have to disengage a safety to fire it. As far as the general public is concerned anything they don't have to touch isn't there. The two internal safety devices are merely a preventative measure to prevent the striker from hitting the primer prior to engaging the trigger. Those of you who have never been forced to draw a weapon, will never know what its like having one less thing to think about. Pull point and fire. You shouldn't have to worry about is the safety off.

 

[BountyHunter]

Agreed glock has this safety. Never said it didn't. However it has a terrible record of NDs, albeit operator error due to inherent design.