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Here’s how the Red Flag scenario will happen.
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Here is something I put together, satistics are from 2016.
30,000 Gun Deaths per year? (2016)
When you take out suicide, gun death by law enforcement and accidents,
technically, “gun crime” is not 30,000 annually, but drops to 5100. And, 25% of all “gun crime” happens in just 4 cities, Chicago, Baltimore, Detroit and Washington D.C.(mostly gang related). Some States have much higher rates than others. California had 1,169 deaths by “gun crime” and Alabama had 1. California has the strictest gun laws and Alabama about the opposite. Do you think gun laws will stop gang related “gun crime”?
To put in perspective:
5100 die from “gun crimes” (at least 25% gang related)
34,000 traffic fatalities
40,000+ die from drug overdose
200,000+ people die from preventable medical error
710,000 people die from heart disease
I fear new gun laws have nothing to do with saving 5100 lives a year, but has everything to do with disarming America.
“Before a standing army can rule, the people must be disarmed” Noah Webster.
30,000 Gun Deaths per year? (2016)
When you take out suicide, gun death by law enforcement and accidents,
technically, “gun crime” is not 30,000 annually, but drops to 5100. And, 25% of all “gun crime” happens in just 4 cities, Chicago, Baltimore, Detroit and Washington D.C.(mostly gang related). Some States have much higher rates than others. California had 1,169 deaths by “gun crime” and Alabama had 1. California has the strictest gun laws and Alabama about the opposite. Do you think gun laws will stop gang related “gun crime”?
To put in perspective:
5100 die from “gun crimes” (at least 25% gang related)
34,000 traffic fatalities
40,000+ die from drug overdose
200,000+ people die from preventable medical error
710,000 people die from heart disease
I fear new gun laws have nothing to do with saving 5100 lives a year, but has everything to do with disarming America.
“Before a standing army can rule, the people must be disarmed” Noah Webster.
Raythemanroe
Bullet Whisperer
Facts don't play to the heart like walking out victims and families after showing an evil black gun.
You forgot to mention the million plus annually that are used to prevent a crime.
Ray
Anyone can choose to ignore any thread they are not interested in.
What concerns me is as I stated in post #101, we on this forum have a common bond. Many on this forum choose to attack each other and stray from the topic.
With that in mind how do you think politicians, half of them with a desire to eliminate the 2A all together, can arrive at a reasonable solution based on a serious effort to address any root cause gun control issue.
What concerns me is as I stated in post #101, we on this forum have a common bond. Many on this forum choose to attack each other and stray from the topic.
With that in mind how do you think politicians, half of them with a desire to eliminate the 2A all together, can arrive at a reasonable solution based on a serious effort to address any root cause gun control issue.
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jds holler
Gold $$ Contributor
bsekf's post above is one of the best I've seen. If those stats are accurate, and I believe they are, the entire content should be tagged and readily available for all to use.
Another thing I'll mention, which may sound a little brutal; of the 5100 gun crime deaths annually, most are a case of thieves and murderers killing thieves and murderers.
It is tragic to see people give their God given life in this manner, but pretty much a case of reaping what ya sow. jd
Another thing I'll mention, which may sound a little brutal; of the 5100 gun crime deaths annually, most are a case of thieves and murderers killing thieves and murderers.
It is tragic to see people give their God given life in this manner, but pretty much a case of reaping what ya sow. jd
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Politicians represent any given number of firearm related deaths as the tragic and the #1 leading cause of death in America. If someones grandchild is struck by a vehicle and killed, there is no comfort in knowing that 40,000 die from a drug overdose.
Some do relate firearms to vehicle deaths, then point out all vehicles are registered, all vehicles require insurance, many if not all require routine state licensed inspection, all require the operator to be licensed. Our response is: driving is a privilege not a right.
As you can see, the numbers can also be turned against us. How does that saying go? 67% of statistics are made up on the spot.
Some do relate firearms to vehicle deaths, then point out all vehicles are registered, all vehicles require insurance, many if not all require routine state licensed inspection, all require the operator to be licensed. Our response is: driving is a privilege not a right.
As you can see, the numbers can also be turned against us. How does that saying go? 67% of statistics are made up on the spot.
You put this together?
Really because I got an E mail from an old buddy the other day quoting the same thing and he Damn sure doesn’t know you....
This is the entire article.
https://www.quora.com/If-you-take-g...cide-rate-look-similar-to-other-G20-countries
Raythemanroe
Bullet Whisperer
Interesting to read that heroin is killing more than guns. Government's remedy for heroin is clean needles and supplying the equipment needed for illegal activity. Clearly this is about control, zero thought about the health and wellness of the citizens.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...lly-soars-More-50-000-overdose-deaths-US.html
Ray
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...lly-soars-More-50-000-overdose-deaths-US.html
Ray
We've had sort of a red flag minidrama play out around here for the last eight long years. A young man retired from the Army. He was a Ranger and a sniper. He had a lot of experience in Afghanistan and Iraq. He bought a long narrowish tract of land and put in a 1500 yard range. It is well laid out and safe. His neighbors, mainly an old man that owns some land around him and his family that control the other acres surrounding him filed suit. The prosecutors at the time rounded up some people to testify against him, mainly friends of the accuser and an old guy that had published a book years ago.
The judge was the brother of the accuser so it didn't go well. The case went to appeal and for years got kicked back and forth with hung juries and much rancor from the accusers. I attended the last trial with a different judge and that judge seemed to me to sympathize with the prosecution. Who knew, it's local. The only thing they could testify to actually is that they didn't like loud noises and would not tolerate the range under any circumstances. Their star witness complied with their fears and said the range should be 7500 acres to be safe and needed 40 foot wings on the berms.
Our young owner remained steadfast he had put in wings but not 40 foot wings to appease the accusers. His expert witness was a young fellow of good repute that works for Applied Ballistics and is a known ELR 2000 yard champion and works on ballistics for the company. He was contested and the judge sustained that he could not be admitted as an expert witness because he "didn't build the box" (smart phone, kestrel). Our young owner testified and was not allowed to be an expert as well because he had not been published. Apparently his marksmanship training in the Army and long experience in the field was of no use to this court. He had other witnesses that owned land around there that testified that they had no problems with the range and it had always been well ran.
The jury ultimately saw through the scam and found for our owner but it took Eight long years and a lot of money. Of course in the meantime he is deployed for long periods to Afghanistan as a government security service. I can testify to his fortitude and patience and to this day he remains committed to satisfying his jackass neighbors (my adjective) with any reasonable offer. I say let them eat cake.
Red Flag laws are an invitation to chicanery.
The judge was the brother of the accuser so it didn't go well. The case went to appeal and for years got kicked back and forth with hung juries and much rancor from the accusers. I attended the last trial with a different judge and that judge seemed to me to sympathize with the prosecution. Who knew, it's local. The only thing they could testify to actually is that they didn't like loud noises and would not tolerate the range under any circumstances. Their star witness complied with their fears and said the range should be 7500 acres to be safe and needed 40 foot wings on the berms.
Our young owner remained steadfast he had put in wings but not 40 foot wings to appease the accusers. His expert witness was a young fellow of good repute that works for Applied Ballistics and is a known ELR 2000 yard champion and works on ballistics for the company. He was contested and the judge sustained that he could not be admitted as an expert witness because he "didn't build the box" (smart phone, kestrel). Our young owner testified and was not allowed to be an expert as well because he had not been published. Apparently his marksmanship training in the Army and long experience in the field was of no use to this court. He had other witnesses that owned land around there that testified that they had no problems with the range and it had always been well ran.
The jury ultimately saw through the scam and found for our owner but it took Eight long years and a lot of money. Of course in the meantime he is deployed for long periods to Afghanistan as a government security service. I can testify to his fortitude and patience and to this day he remains committed to satisfying his jackass neighbors (my adjective) with any reasonable offer. I say let them eat cake.
Red Flag laws are an invitation to chicanery.
Our concern for our Second Amendment rights are not helped by nut jobs waltzing into Walmart in full combat dress carrying a loaded AR-15. We see this type of behavior all over the country, and so do those who are afraid of guns in general. And these images of gun toting S.A. rights advocates are only inflaming the rhetoric. Truthfully, although I'm comfortable around firearms, I'd be terrified if I was shopping in Walmart and encountered such a nut job, especially if he was an under 25 year old, white male.
There are S.A. advocates, and then there are those who just want attention and the thrill of making others feel threatened while merely "exercising their constitutional rights".
Here in Austin, women are permitted by law to walk around bare breasted if they so choose. But you don't see a lot of bare breasted women seeking attention like you see gun toting males.
Maybe it's a testosterone issue.
There are S.A. advocates, and then there are those who just want attention and the thrill of making others feel threatened while merely "exercising their constitutional rights".
Here in Austin, women are permitted by law to walk around bare breasted if they so choose. But you don't see a lot of bare breasted women seeking attention like you see gun toting males.
Maybe it's a testosterone issue.
I know one thing.
Im moving to Austin in hopes of the next new fad.
Im moving to Austin in hopes of the next new fad.
"I'd be terrified if I was shopping in Walmart and encountered such a nut job, especially if he was an under 25 year old, white male."
Why?
What information do you have that proves that white males under 25 years old are any more dangerous than say white females under 25 years old, or black males under 25 years old?
Are you assuming that they are bad just because they are white males?
Sounds to me like your opinion has been shaped by the lies of the progressive left and are trying to help push their agenda.
Why?
What information do you have that proves that white males under 25 years old are any more dangerous than say white females under 25 years old, or black males under 25 years old?
Are you assuming that they are bad just because they are white males?
Sounds to me like your opinion has been shaped by the lies of the progressive left and are trying to help push their agenda.
Raythemanroe
Bullet Whisperer
Honestly I am for anyone expressing their God given constitutional right. Yet open carry is dumb, I don't mean or care about the bleeding hearts opinion about it. If you were to come in contact with a deranged shooter I think the idiot with the AR across their back would be target numeral one.
Ray
Ray
C’mon now. The “left” isn’t why someone could be alarmed or “terrified”. A potential copycat bullet sprayer is the reason why. A 2A “auditor” strapped with a semi and mags who is testing responses right after mass shooting, who also literally looks like he wants to appear to be a “copycat” (young, white, same store chain) is tone deaf. I don’t know that he should be charged with a crime as happened, but he’s definitely on the road to getting new policy and signage posted at all retailers - and that hurts us all.
Raythemanroe
Bullet Whisperer
The media only runs with white male shooters. If Baltimore or Chicago has a black shooter @ Wally World it barely gets the local nightly news run.. We are eating up the Kool aid..
Ray
Texas10 is taking about coming across the guy like that in public. There’d be moments or more where you don’t know if this guy is an “auditor” or worse, a copycat calming everyone down, by posing as an auditor.
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