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1k tune at 100

Must be really competitive if a 3" 1k gun can only rank 70th!!

Ray
PRS is extremely competitive with several different classes but you are ranked overall by score no handicapping for factory class,gas, tactical ECT. which has limitations. It would be kind of like shooting HG against LG in bench rest.
It is truly fun extremely well attended and usually I've not heard any whining but it looks like that might be starting.
 
May wanna throttle back on the ad hominem, Copernicus. It's not making a 70th place coaching job look any better...

Too bad you can't just share in your newfound knowledge? Since ya can't/won't spill the beans, whats the point of this thread...advertising?
Actually I was hoping to find someone that has gone down the same path to compare notes with so to say. I have gotten a couple of prospects. If I was to spill the beans as you say I'm afraid all you would have is bean soup.
 
No need to verify with him and I'm not trying to call him out. All the match results are published on the PRS website and easily verified by anyone. You can look up any shooters profile, mine included.

Yes, I shoot PRS and will likely be at the finale this year. And I'm not doing it through the backdoor of the Production division.
Doesn’t bother me! I think it’s great never shooting PRS before. It’s not a back door it’s a great way to start a new hobby
 
Why should he "spill the beans" here? It amazes me when people come in here, claim they have the expensive electronic scale setups, then want those of us who spent the money for QuickLoad to run a load for them. I used to run one or two loads for those who asked, when they wanted a third load run I would politely provide the link to purchase the software. Now I just ignore them.

He has time and money invested in his method. There is no reason he should not get something back for providing the information to customers. Besides, most people value something by how much it cost them! If you get it for free it can't be worth much!

I agree Daniel Brothers, it is amazing that someone can be attacked for merely trying to start a conversation. If you don't believe his claims, why not jut ignore the thread?
 
PRS is extremely competitive with several different classes but you are ranked overall by score no handicapping for factory class,gas, tactical ECT. which has limitations. It would be kind of like shooting HG against LG in bench rest.

That's not exactly how it works.

There are only two real classes in PRS... Open and Tactical (aka 223/308). There's an entirely separate series for gas guns, different matches, different rules etc, but in normal PRS if you bring a gas gun you are still either Open or Tactical. Tactical is a legitimate division due to their ballistic disadvantage in the wind.

Production division is the bastard stepchild, a well intentioned idea that somehow the price tag associated with a match rifle was why shooters were scared of getting into the sport. They thought that a price cap of $4k instead of the typical $5-6k would level the playing field. Instead what you got is the big fish small pond syndrome. There are only twelve guys NATIONALLY who are in that production division, compared to the thousands of registered and unregistered shooters who compete in the Open division. And the rifles they shoot in the production division are functionally no different than an open gun. Sure, they are built to a price point but the gun you showed in the picture is pretty much the exact same gun I shoot. Same chassis, brake, etc. No competitive advantage whatsoever. And there's so few production shooters that only half the PRS matches even have someone show up.

So realistically it's more like creating a "purple gun" division within LG benchrest, then giving a trophy to the guy who showed up with a purple gun because he was the only one who had one. Then him going online and showing off all the "purple gun" trophies he won, which mean nothing.

THAT's why I have a burr in my saddle about Production Division.
 
Actually I was hoping to find someone that has gone down the same path to compare notes with so to say. I have gotten a couple of prospects. If I was to spill the beans as you say I'm afraid all you would have is bean soup.

Going back to the merits of your system, I think it's not the bean soup that people are reacting to. It's that your claim sounds more like "Magic beans!" :)

Heck, if I was on the east coast I'd probably take you up on your service and pay the $250. The ability to get muzzle velocity, instantly see POI on the e-target, and get downrange velocity would be incredibly valuable. It would be like doing a true POI ladder test and simultaneously doing a velocity ladder test (aka 10 shot load development, aka 6.5 Guys "Satterlee" load development) but with instant results. I suppose the downrange velocity info is also an interesting data set, where you could look at the % of retained velocity to see how well the bullet was flying or extrapolate BC. I would venture to guess that they all correlate with each other, because if they didn't I would think that POI vertical node would be the foremost importance and velocity flat spot the second most important (which often correlate with each other).

All the equipment and range access and help for the shooter to get them on the right path are absolutely worth $250. But to come with claims of secret methods which no one else knows about and that you have to pay to find out is just going to rub shooters the wrong way. Especially when you're talking to some of the best benchrest shooters in the nation, and when your system is clearly not doing stuff like testing seating depth, neck tension, primers, etc.
 
At the risk of actually pulling the thread back on topic...

I don't think that many people have done a lot with terminal velocity on the e-targets. One, units really affordable for individuals are fairly new. Two, while some people have seen velocities track with POI... whereas others (including myself) have seen some very questionable numbers (as in not physically possible for the given load).

Don't get me wrong; I'm still curious about what you are seeing and what you think is happening. I have my own LabRadar, QuickLoad and my own e-target, but I shoot cartridges that are not on your list above. I imagine that there are more than a few shooters in this category.
 
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I would love to check out an electronic target but for my needs they are not accurate enough yet. Arent they like a 3/8” handicap out of the gate? Are they getting better in that aspect?
 
That's not exactly how it works.

There are only two real classes in PRS... Open and Tactical (aka 223/308). There's an entirely separate series for gas guns, different matches, different rules etc, but in normal PRS if you bring a gas gun you are still either Open or Tactical. Tactical is a legitimate division due to their ballistic disadvantage in the wind.

Production division is the bastard stepchild, a well intentioned idea that somehow the price tag associated with a match rifle was why shooters were scared of getting into the sport. They thought that a price cap of $4k instead of the typical $5-6k would level the playing field. Instead what you got is the big fish small pond syndrome. There are only twelve guys NATIONALLY who are in that production division, compared to the thousands of registered and unregistered shooters who compete in the Open division. And the rifles they shoot in the production division are functionally no different than an open gun. Sure, they are built to a price point but the gun you showed in the picture is pretty much the exact same gun I shoot. Same chassis, brake, etc. No competitive advantage whatsoever. And there's so few production shooters that only half the PRS matches even have someone show up.

So realistically it's more like creating a "purple gun" division within LG benchrest, then giving a trophy to the guy who showed up with a purple gun because he was the only one who had one. Then him going online and showing off all the "purple gun" trophies he won, which mean nothing.

THAT's why I have a burr in my saddle about Production Division.
My rifle isn’t purple man! I think my trophies are kinda cool. We should soooo squad together!!!
 
Honestly I believe the accuracy of the terminal velocity of my e-target is surprisingly accurate. I believe I got lucky or it was an accident because I'm not that smart. It is consistently within 3/16" of actual measured groups. Honestly there is no magic to my system and I'm teaching all that participate. I do not go to the back room utter some Hocus Pocus bring them some rounds out and tell them to shoot them they actually load the rounds themselves I'm merely interpret the dope we collect. I have spent years of my life learning how to interpret this dope and I am still learning. I find it amusing if someone is offended by $250 but will pay ridiculous amounts of money for Gunsmithing Services equipment. I have taken a $900 Savage FTR rifle that I got from a pawn shop and done very well with it. Oh be careful what you say about benchrest Shooters some of the very best are very good friends of mine.
 
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Why should he "spill the beans" here? It amazes me when people come in here, claim they have the expensive electronic scale setups, then want those of us who spent the money for QuickLoad to run a load for them. I used to run one or two loads for those who asked, when they wanted a third load run I would politely provide the link to purchase the software. Now I just ignore them.


He has time and money invested in his method. There is no reason he should not get something back for providing the information to customers. Besides, most people value something by how much it cost them! If you get it for free it can't be worth much!


I agree Daniel Brothers, it is amazing that someone can be attacked for merely trying to start a conversation. If you don't believe his claims, why not jut ignore the thread?


Honestly I can’t really see people attacking him, I have also been there with Quickloads where couple loads here and there turned into people constantly messaging me for some guy that really needs help until I found out some of these guys are selling these “help a brother out” loads on facebook or some other platform so now I really only help my close friends but coming on to a public forum (one like accurateshooter) with some if not most of the best shooters in the world in various platforms and claiming you have a new wonder drug that does X if you pay Y but you don’t really want to say what it does or how it does it is just asking for a backlash or a snotty response


Nothing against any one just my 2c and I have also actually spend allot of time money and effort to understand and test how people tune with velocity so again im not knocking any thing
 

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