1k tune at 100

[One Shot One Thrill]

Join Secret Creedmor Club.

I'm not trying to keep it a secret well maybe how I do it

 

[One Shot One Thrill]

I am not able to shoot $1000 yards, because I don't really have the money or equipment or knowledge to make it happen. But One Shot One Thrill has verified it with an offer - if it doesn't work, money back. If had the ability and equipment, I'd send the money and show up on his door step.

My point exactly thank you any time spent on the Range burning powder is a great
day!
Nothing ventured nothing gained if I don't produce you don't pay end of story.

 

[One Shot One Thrill]

With the exception of being able to do it in 10 rounds, many F-Class shooters have loaded using something similar to this approach for years. I have little feel for how it would fare in the BR world, I don't shoot BR. In F-Class however, consistent velocity and reasonable precision over the long strings of fire are of significant benefit. Absolute precision usually won't be the limiting factor as wind changes over the 20+ shot strings usually account for the majority of dropped points. In other words, you're likely to drop as many points with a tuned load that shoots in the 0.1s as opposed to the 0.2s, or even low 0.3s, because pure precision isn't the limiting factor if there's much wind at all.

Now, being able to achieve all that in 10 rounds would be a definite bonus. I'm sure there are many that have observed very early in the load development process that some combinations just seem to want to group exceedingly well as compared to others. Nonetheless, that is usually just intuition, not necessarily definitive. If I could could consistently accomplish that goal in 10 rounds, I own enough competition rifles that I might never burn out another barrel .

Ned,
I disagree. In the beginning I had to convince some PRS shooters that grouping is as critical for their sport as it is for bench rest and I feel it is every bit for F-class or any discipline. Simple question in my mind (because I have a simple mind) If your rifle does not group how do you realize when you've made a good or bad wind call?

 

[Stan Taylor]

Me to so far so good.

I'm now compiling the dope in hopes to build load charts for conditions. This will take another year or so. I hope then to be able to accurately forecast for most all conditions.

Well Eric are you make one up for Whitehorse when you get to that point of testing.

 

[One Shot One Thrill]

Well Eric are you make one up for Whitehorse when you get to that point of testing.

The goal is to be able to forcast the load for location which some are already good at some of the time. I'm looking to make it most of the time. Now you'll have to deal with the wind on your own. I believe I usually shot pretty well at White house. I like to shoot there it is a great place.

 

[Stan Taylor]

The goal is to be able to forcast the load for location which some are already good at some of the time. I'm looking to make it most of the time. Now you'll have to deal with the wind on your own. I believe I usually shot pretty well at White house. I like to shoot there it is a great place.

Yes you are correct an if you win you pretty much earned it most of the time.
Thanks

 

[dcali]

Ned,
I disagree. In the beginning I had to convince some PRS shooters that grouping is as critical for their sport as it is for bench rest and I feel it is every bit for F-class or any discipline. Simple question in my mind (because I have a simple mind) If your rifle does not group how do you realize when you've made a good or bad wind call?

That’s entirely dependent on what you’re shooting. Shooting benchrest, there is zero room for anything but the most accurate load/rifle. For offhand service rifle, you can shoot a laser and it won’t improve your score.

 

[One Shot One Thrill]

That’s entirely dependent on what you’re shooting. Shooting benchrest, there is zero room for anything but the most accurate load/rifle. For offhand service rifle, you can shoot a laser and it won’t improve your score.

I don't understand if you have a laser seems like to me it would be very evident when a bad wind call was made.
If it's not dependable to hit where you are aiming how do you hold for the wind
SWAG?

 

[dcali]

I don't understand if you have a laser seems like to me it would be very evident when a bad wind call was made.
If it's not dependable to hit where you are aiming how do you hold for the wind
SWAG?

I’m just saying it doesn’t matter. the ten ring is huge compared to rifle dispersion and wind. The only factor that truly matters (within reason) is the shooter’s skill. A perfect rifle simply won’t help significantly.

 

[One Shot One Thrill]

I’m just saying it doesn’t matter. the ten ring is huge compared to rifle dispersion and wind. The only factor that truly matters (within reason) is the shooter’s skill. A perfect rifle simply won’t help significantly.

Go check out the E-Target threads they are going ballistic over the thickness of lines, bullet hole size ECT. Some of these shooters are HP shooters. I believe it matters.
Confidence is also a huge factor in shooting and when your rifle is shooting small groups your confidence level is high your shooting will be better.

 

[Ned Ludd]

Ned,
I disagree. In the beginning I had to convince some PRS shooters that grouping is as critical for their sport as it is for bench rest and I feel it is every bit for F-class or any discipline. Simple question in my mind (because I have a simple mind) If your rifle does not group how do you realize when you've made a good or bad wind call?

Do you actually shoot F-Class? If not, you might give it a try first, then get back to me and let me know if you still think a load that groups in the 0.1s will allow you to score any better than a quarter minute load (0.25 MOA) on a windy day. It won't. The F-Class 10-ring is essentially 1 MOA, the X-ring 0.5 MOA. A load that groups 0.5 MOA or slightly better is more than sufficient to learn to make wind calls.

 

[One Shot One Thrill]

Do you actually shoot F-Class? If not, you might give it a try first, then get back to me and let me know if you still think a load that groups in the 0.1s will allow you to score any better than a quarter minute load (0.25 MOA) on a windy day. It won't. The F-Class 10-ring is essentially 1 MOA, the X-ring 0.5 MOA. A load that groups 0.5 MOA or slightly better is more than sufficient to learn to make wind calls.

Yes I have shot F-TR before.

 

[One Shot One Thrill]

I have 3 loaner rifles:
1) holds1.5 moa at 1k
2) holds1.0 moa at.1k
3) holds0.5 moa at 1k
Which one would you like to shoot in a match?

 

[memilanuk]

My point exactly thank you any time spent on the Range burning powder is a great
day!
Nothing ventured nothing gained if I don't produce you don't pay end of story.

Are you going to reimburse air fare, rental car, hotel room, etc. for people who are outside driving range?

 

[One Shot One Thrill]

If

Are you going to reimburse air fare, rental car, hotel room, etc. for people who are outside driving range?

When I produce will they pay me equal to the sum you are talking instead of a measly 250

 

[One Shot One Thrill]

If

When I produce will they pay me equal to the sum you are talking instead of a measly 250

Are you going to reimburse air fare, rental car, hotel room, etc. for people who are outside driving range?

I could go to them if thell reimburse me when done.

 

[alinwa]

Are you going to reimburse air fare, rental car, hotel room, etc. for people who are outside driving range?

My $1000.00 "bullets going to sleep" bet includes everything and 1K over and above.......... plus I'll bring you out to Ruth's Chris for a bonus hunner'dollar steak.

IF...... your bullets "go to sleep" over the Oehler43




And when they don't???? You buy the steak.....

 

[Dusty Stevens]

My $1000.00 "bullets going to sleep" bet includes everything and 1K over and above.......... plus I'll bring you out to Ruth's Chris for a bonus hunner'dollar steak.

IF...... your bullets "go to sleep" over the Oehler43




And when they don't???? You buy the steak.....

My bullets sleep so hard they dont even know the wind is blowing.

 

[Ned Ludd]

I have 3 loaner rifles:
1) holds1.5 moa at 1k
2) holds1.0 moa at.1k
3) holds0.5 moa at 1k
Which one would you like to shoot in a match?

This is a total straw man argument. I said nothing whatsoever about the relative performance of 1.5, 1.0 and 0.5 MOA rifles/loads. Nor was I attacking your process. What I stated was that in windy conditions, you're not going to reliably detect a difference between 0.25 and 0.10 MOA rifles/loads in terms of score in a typical F-Class match. Why? Because it's all about limiting sources of error. Any source of error that is markedly larger than another will always be the limiting factor in terms of understanding the output. A rifle that only holds 1.5 MOA under dead calm conditions will be a far more significant source of error relative to the total wind-induced error once the wind picks up. The difference between a 0.25 and 0.1 MOA rifle/load will be so small relative to wind-induced error that you cannot ever reliably state that the cause of a missed shot actually was solely due to the difference in precision. This is simple statistical fact. Besides which, why do you have two loaner rifles that shoot so poorly? One would think that your miraculous 10-shot load development process would enable you to offer three loaner rifles that each shoot well under half MOA.

 

[One Shot One Thrill]

This is a total straw man argument. I said nothing whatsoever about the relative performance of 1.5, 1.0 and 0.5 MOA rifles/loads. Nor was I attacking your process. What I stated was that in windy conditions, you're not going to reliably detect a difference between 0.25 and 0.10 MOA rifles/loads in terms of score in a typical F-Class match. Why? Because it's all about limiting sources of error. Any source of error that is markedly larger than another will always be the limiting factor in terms of understanding the output. A rifle that only holds 1.5 MOA under dead calm conditions will be a far more significant source of error relative to the total wind-induced error once the wind picks up. The difference between a 0.25 and 0.1 MOA rifle/load will be so small relative to wind-induced error that you cannot ever reliably state that the cause of a missed shot actually was solely due to the difference in precision. This is simple statistical fact. Besides which, why do you have two loaner rifles that shoot so poorly? One would think that your miraculous 10-shot load development process would enable you to offer three loaner rifles that each shoot well under half MOA.

I made that up for example.
If I'm hearing correct you see no advantage for a rifle shooting sub .5 moa at 1k
What about the slight point of impact shifts caused not by wind but light refraction?