1k tune at 100

[Alex Wheeler]

I for one would like to hear about this method. I do believe we are leaving something on the table with all current long range methods. You can force any combo to shoot somewhere, but to find the best tune..... I have been tuning many more hunting rifles that competition rifles over the last couple years. There is so much info on common competition cartridges its easy to feel like a good tuner. On an uncommon combo with no data, starting from scratch you see how critical it is to find the right powder bullet primer combo, or things just look terrible. If I read this right it looks like that what your finding in 10 shots? Thats valuable info, because trying to tune a powder that the barrel doesnt like will drive you nuts. Thats over half the battle. When the barrel likes the components tuning is easy.

 

[One Shot One Thrill]

I for one would like to hear about this method. I do believe we are leaving something on the table with all current long range methods. You can force any combo to shoot somewhere, but to find the best tune..... I have been tuning many more hunting rifles that competition rifles over the last couple years. There is so much info on common competition cartridges its easy to feel like a good tuner. On an uncommon combo with no data, starting from scratch you see how critical it is to find the right powder bullet primer combo, or things just look terrible. If I read this right it looks like that what your finding in 10 shots? Thats valuable info, because trying to tune a powder that the barrel doesnt like will drive you nuts. Thats over half the battle. When the barrel likes the components tuning is easy.

Yes I feel that it quickly identifies the best powder for the barrel. I find most things by accident while I'm looking for something else. I found this while attempting to find the best loads for my PRS shooters. They shoot many rounds and long days over many conditions. I wanted it to be easy to duplicate and hold up all weekend for them. I have been surprised by some powders

 

[fredo]

Not for nuthin', but...

Paying some dude to develop a load for MY rifle, makes about as much sense to me as paying some dude to sleep with my special lady...

WHERES THE FUN, IN THAT???

 

[memilanuk]

If I'm hearing correct you see no advantage for a rifle shooting sub .5 moa at 1k
What about the slight point of impact shifts caused not by wind but light refraction?

I think what he's saying is that when the wind gets ta moving, the difference between a quarter minute rifle/load and a half minute one is moot. For what it's worth, I'm talking conditions where the little bit of up/down from lighting is absolutely the least of your worries. Come out west and you'll see what I mean

 

[One Shot One Thrill]

I think what he's saying is that when the wind gets ta moving, the difference between a quarter minute rifle/load and a half minute one is moot. For what it's worth, I'm talking conditions where the little bit of up/down from lighting is absolutely the least of your worries. Come out west and you'll see what I mean

I agree
Once I traveled the world with the 1/75 th Rgr. Bat
I have shot in many different conditions.
But that was a very long time ago. I actually love it out west hunting Elk!!
I would like to do more shooting out there as it is a fantastic place to shoot.
I will always tune my rifle to the best of my ability and will not take one hunting or competing that is not performing to my standards. Maybe it is just in my head but I do not feel you are competitive in F- class unless you have a third-minute rifle. There are way too many good shooters they can call the wind also.

 

[ImBIllT]

I made that up for example.
If I'm hearing correct you see no advantage for a rifle shooting sub .5 moa at 1k
What about the slight point of impact shifts caused not by wind but light refraction?

You’re clearly not reading him correctly. He is comparing .25MOA to .1 MOA and you keep bringing up .5MOA. Your talking about a gun that doesn’t even shoot as good as the difference between his two examples.

 

[Ned Ludd]

I made that up for example.
If I'm hearing correct you see no advantage for a rifle shooting sub .5 moa at 1k
What about the slight point of impact shifts caused not by wind but light refraction?

There you go again, changing your story and putting words in other people's mouths. I made no such statement. However, I am starting to get a pretty clear impression of what you're really up to. You want to advertise your supposedly novel and miraculous 10-shot load development service. I rather doubt sharing the secret here is likely to severely impact any future revenue...or is it possibly that your process won't stand up to close scrutiny? Even from the parsimonious information you provided, I have a pretty good idea what you're up to. I think you may be missing a few things. Why not just share it?

 

[mike a]

Sir, if you truly have found the Holy Grail of load development I suggest you patent it and sell it. At this point I doubt your going to get loads of shooters flocking to Ga. to see it until you shed some daylight on it. You being at one tiny point on this planet and not sharing your wares is not helping the people on this site or the shooting community. SHARE your soul will be happier. Cheers Mike

 

[One Shot One Thrill]

There you go again, changing your story and putting words in other people's mouths. I made no such statement. However, I am starting to get a pretty clear impression of what you're really up to. You want to advertise your supposedly novel and miraculous 10-shot load development service. I rather doubt sharing the secret here is likely to severely impact any future revenue...or is it possibly that your process won't stand up to close scrutiny? Even from the parsimonious information you provided, I have a pretty good idea what you're up to. I think you may be missing a few things. Why not just share it?

I'm doubting it would work for you feel free to move on. Those are my words. I don't think anyone else said that already.
I help who I want its not really about the money.

 

[Delfuego]

Paying some dude to develop a load for MY rifle, makes about as much sense to me as paying some dude to sleep with my special lady...

I wish my barrels came back from the smith with 200 rounds down them and a load recipe. I'm lazy and not the jealous type, whatever keeps me lazy keeps me happy...

 

[alinwa]

I wish my barrels came back from the smith with 200 rounds down them and a load recipe. I'm lazy and not the jealous type, whatever keeps me lazy keeps me happy...

Don't feel like the lone ranger.... there are plenty of others who feel as you do.


I sell rifles with an accuracy guarantee...... they go out "used" with some rounds down the tube. True targets documenting every round, reloading dies and press all set up and ready to go and a "money in your pocket" guarantee that the gun WILL shoot to to spec.

Yup, I get paid to burn up your barrel

And it's worth every penny.

 

[jamesdmock]

That is not entirely correct. In 10 shots I can determine if a particular bullet and powder are working in a pitcular barrel. All the rifles I've worked with have a known round count and are of great quality. Once I've decided what combination works the best I tweak the seating depth to obtain optimum group size.
Every rifle that I've worked with current count 12 have left the range shooting 3"or less. Time spent for the shooter 1 day total round count usually 50 -60.
The shooters have competed in PRS events all over and the loads held up through varying conditions.

Sometimes I am a little slow, but it seems that you have found a method to get a rifle to shoot 3" @ 1000 yards in 10 shots.....BUT it may take 50--60rounds to do this. What am I missing??

 

[alinwa]

.........

Paying some dude to develop a load for MY rifle, makes about as much sense to me as paying some dude to sleep with my special lady...

WHERES THE FUN, IN THAT???

Well OK...... but if you're a competitor, if you're a racer who wants to drive your car and WIN......

You bring the car to the man with the Big Dynamometer Mo'chine, and he and his pal with the flow-table make the car RUN.

Cuz you CAN'T.

Notice that the poster delfuego in unhampered by pride...... and unfortunately, if you really want to WIN the pride's gotta' go sometimes

If the OP REALLY CAN get your gun down to consistent 3" groups at 1K it's easily worth all the beans to 99.99% of the folks on this Ol' Blue Ball.......

 

[One Shot One Thrill]

Sometimes I am a little slow, but it seems that you have found a method to get a rifle to shoot 3" @ 1000 yards in 10 shots.....BUT it may take 50--60rounds to do this. What am I missing??

Me. 2 a little slow I keep trying to help others that have closed minds. So far the shooters have not wanted to stop at 3" and they keep shooting.

 

[seymour fish]

I for one would like to hear about this method. I do believe we are leaving something on the table with all current long range methods. You can force any combo to shoot somewhere, but to find the best tune..... I have been tuning many more hunting rifles that competition rifles over the last couple years. There is so much info on common competition cartridges its easy to feel like a good tuner. On an uncommon combo with no data, starting from scratch you see how critical it is to find the right powder bullet primer combo, or things just look terrible. If I read this right it looks like that what your finding in 10 shots? Thats valuable info, because trying to tune a powder that the barrel doesnt like will drive you nuts. Thats over half the battle. When the barrel likes the components tuning is easy.

Alex, Like your open-minded stance. Perhaps we are seeing the typical stages of a Paradigm Shift played out in real time on these pages. The OP has given sufficient hints as to his methods, which begs the question: is there a correlation between accuracy and best functional BC in our most finely tuned loads ?

 

[Rich S]

Sir I give you an open invitation to come to my range with your rifle and I will show you. I will need to inspect your rifle and brass if all is well I will show you. It is possible after shooting 10 shots with your powder and bullet combo that it does not fall within the parameters and one component or another would need to change. So yes it can take more than 10 shots and once bullet and powder is selected I move on to the seating depth. I have accomplished the stated results with every rifle brought to me thus far same day. Honestly you can expect to shoot 50 or more shots
The fee is 250.00 dollars.
If your rifle does not shoot 3 round groups in the 3" or less you owe me nothing.

Is this similar to the method Eric described for developing loads at 100 yds but done at match distance?
Given how long it takes me to develop a load this sounds like a reasonable price and likely a great education for the owner.

http://forum.accurateshooter.com/threads/long-range-load-development-at-100-yards.3814361/

 

[fredo]

Well OK...... but if you're a competitor, if you're a racer who wants to drive your car and WIN......

You bring the car to the man with the Big Dynamometer Mo'chine, and he and his pal with the flow-table make the car RUN.

Cuz you CAN'T.

Notice that the poster delfuego in unhampered by pride...... and unfortunately, if you really want to WIN the pride's gotta' go sometimes

If the OP REALLY CAN get your gun down to consistent 3" groups at 1K it's easily worth all the beans to 99.99% of the folks on this Ol' Blue Ball.......

Thanks for so clearly leading to the point I'm about to make...

That being, if I have to hire someone else to 'do the work' that I, the competitor, should be doing myself in order to"compete", then that particular style of competition is one I have absolutely ZERO interest in participating in...

Different strokes for different folks, of course. But, think about that for a spell, and maybe contemplate the notion of earning one's laurels, is exactly the point of competing in the first place. Is it not?

 

[One Shot One Thrill]

Thanks for so clearly leading to the point I'm about to make...

That being, if I have to hire someone else to 'do the work' that I, the competitor, should be doing myself in order to"compete", then that particular style of competition is one I have absolutely ZERO interest in participating in...

Different strokes for different folks, of course. But, think about that for a spell, and maybe contemplate the notion of earning one's laurels, is exactly the point of competing in the first place. Is it not?

I wonder if any pro athlete has ever had a mentor, taken a lesson, actually practices to improve their performance?

 

[fredo]

Having a mentor, or hiring a DYNO is one thing...

But, paying someone to do something I can manage myself, is bull$hit. And especially so, if I were to take that (paid for) advantage, to seek out a trophy with MY name on it...

Use all the analogies you like, for the sake of this topic, please keep my opinion within the context of RELOADING. I only used the 'sleeping with the lady' one to illustrate that it is something I (we) should already be capable of performing...

Like I said, different strokes. More power to ya if you've got a business model that monetizes others' laziness. Or, incompetence. Seems like there's no shortage of either one, nowadays?

 

[One Shot One Thrill]

Is this similar to the method Eric described for developing loads at 100 yds but done at match distance?
Given how long it takes me to develop a load this sounds like a reasonable price and likely a great education for the owner.

http://forum.accurateshooter.com/threads/long-range-load-development-at-100-yards.3814361/

No not exactly. The method I use to tune at 1k just happens to shoot well at 100 yards.
I believe he is excellent at interpreting his hundred-yard data in order to construct his 1 k loads.