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And with the hundreds/thousands of backpacks carried into the schools by students, they would have to add X-Ray machines along with trained personnel. They would have to leave home 2 hours early to get through security before class begins. Do we really want to subject the students and teachers to that kind of security? It would end up like entering a nuke plant. A half dozen X-Ray machines with an officer at each one, half dozen metal detectors with an officer at each one, half dozen puffer machines. Look at the amount of security at sports venues now, and they too are gun free zones.


I would really like to hear your solution to the school shootings.
 
It has only been 55 years since God has been taken out of our schools
I don't think anything can stop this but Him.
All the politicians do is use this to attack each other, they really haven't a clue
 
And with the hundreds/thousands of backpacks carried into the schools by students,
We never had back packs ,so no back packs in school.Done.
1 hour in home room if there is such a thing to do home work
at the end of the day.Leave all the books in your locker.
So no X ray machine.
And no trench coats.
 
This idea is gaining a lot of popularity among NRA members and gun owners in general along with some of the liberal population as well.

I am going to be the bad guy here to say that we are setting ourselves up on a slippery slope that is worse than any kind of 'gun control'.

The flaw in the idea of having armed guards in schools is that it will surely work. i.e it will curb the shootings that happen in schools. (Although *without* airport TSA like security, many things will slip through)

However, schools are not the only soft targets. Movie theaters, shopping malls, public parks, airports and busy streets are all places where people come and go as they please without any checks/scans.

Once the school idea works, its only a matter of (not much) time before all these other public places will adopt the same idea. Why not have armed guards in Movie theaters? and how come people just walk into an Airport without any checking?

I am not imagining this. I have seen the exact same thing happen. When faced with danger/terror, people generally choose to give up rights in favor of increased security.
I was born and brought up in India and before 1993, things were fairly relaxed. A parent could enter a school uninvited to meet teachers, you could go to the airports to see your family off, walk into shopping malls without getting frisked etc.

Then a lot of bombings happened in 1993 (there is a lot of cross-border terrorism in India). And there were calls for increase security. It didn't take long before there were armed guards virtually everywhere. Schools, banks, airports (yes, nobody can enter an airport without showing a valid ticket and an ID), malls and after 26/11 even some restaurants have metal detectors and frisking.

In US, we saw a lot of that happen after 9/11 as well.

So, what is wrong with armed guards everywhere you go? Walk into your favorite restaurant, just go through the metal detector, a light frisking and off you go. What is so terrible about this?

Having armed guards everywhere cannot and does not coexist with public gun ownership. Not only people who hate gun owners get another argument that since we have guards everywhere, why do you need a gun for self-protection, there is also an argument that regular people having guns is harmful for the guards themselves.
Having a lot of armed guards is akin to calling the national guard.

I don't have a short-term solution for school (and other) shootings because there isn't one. The problem can only be solved slowly by bringing up a responsible generation. And if the society fails to do that, it suffers either by shootings or by giving up freedoms.
Schools are governmental, theaters and restaurants are private. We the people pay for one and we the people will incur an extra cost on our bills for the other. BUT I like knowing I can eat or watch a theater without sneaking my piece inside. (Not that I would ever do that).
 
One of my neighbors is a teacher in our Twin Valley school district. To equal her yearly salary, you would have to make $30.00+ per hour for a 40 hour work week all year.
Yeah, but they only work 30-35 hrs/week , 36 weeks/year, are eligiable for a year long sabatical in their tenure, can retire at 50 yrs of age WITH a bonus of 100K + (a buy-out so the district can hire new teachers that are cheaper), get 100% post grad education paid for and most have masters degrees in 3-5 years then some opt for Ed. D degrees all the while boosting their annual salary near 6 figures with each degree bought and paid for by the taxpayer. It's a real sham as some are educated beyond their intelligence.
 
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And with the hundreds/thousands of backpacks carried into the schools by students, they would have to add X-Ray machines along with trained personnel. They would have to leave home 2 hours early to get through security before class begins. Do we really want to subject the students and teachers to that kind of security? It would end up like entering a nuke plant. A half dozen X-Ray machines with an officer at each one, half dozen metal detectors with an officer at each one, half dozen puffer machines. Look at the amount of security at sports venues now, and they too are gun free zones.
My school district has had metal detectors for years -as well as many surrounding districts. I never heard where backpacks posed a problem. Considering the frills that school boards push through the budget and the wasteful way they spend other peoples money, today's metal detectors are not a big ticket item. I believe you are being overzealous in your attempt to dissuade the readers acceptance of these proven proactive tools.
So, in your opinion, it is mean and degrading to subject students and teachers to pass through a metal detector? Perhaps these machines WILL cause permanent emotional damage which will result in more snowflakes.
 
This is a very emotional topic that is not being prioritized based on facts and statistics.
One of the facts is kids kill themselves and others at a higher rate than do mass murderers. They just do it one at a time by driving and texting or driving under the influence of drugs or alcohol.
Another is police shoot more people without justification than do mass murderers. Look at the level of cowardice and incompetence at Parkland, Fla.
Do you really want that kind of personnel in any capacity on any police force? Those bubbas might shoot their own mothers under a little stress.

A lot of people that cannot compete in the job market go into teaching and law enforcement...
Honestly, why did you not throw out a fork made rosie odonell fat? Task at hand here is children are getting shot in schools, and it's a very threat to gun owners in some form. The issue isn't death by cop, or vehicle accidents, and right now those arguments are irrelevant as hell.
I'm actually friends with younger teachers, and acquaintances with more than few, most went to college right out of high school for 4 yrs to become educators.
 
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The problem is that "they" are addressing a solution for a symptom while doing nothing for the cause. this is particularly common with government solutions. There are several examples and metaphors of this. Pick one. they all have a similar flow of events. take an impressionable child and through the new technology cause him to believe that he 1. has no future and 2. neither does anyone else so 3. he should do something infamous to gain notoriety. So he takes what is familiar to him - video games show the invincibility of the hero with various firearms, and when he does die, all that is needed to resume life is pushing the play again button.

Putting guards in schools aka hardening a soft target, will only divert the attention seekers target to some other soft target. Schools become difficult to overwhelm, so the target is shifted to any event that attracts large numbers of people of the desired demographics. As targets become uniformly hardened, they are hardened against particular methods of assault. Everyone will know it is difficult to smuggle an AK or AR past a metal detector, so skip the AK/AR approach. An explosive, biological or chemical device could be made with very little effort- it is my understanding from hearing on the news that there are sources on the internet of instructions showing how this can be done. So steps will be taken after the first few successful events to harden targets against these sorts of attacks. The result is people are constantly on the defense, responding to the latest means of attack.

What should be done is to look at the underlying cause- the WHY of the attack rather than the MEANS of the attack. Fifty years ago no one would have had any desire to kill someone they didn't even know, just for the reason of killing them. If the WHY is determined, which it pretty much has in several of the religious and personality related events that is what should be addressed. Solve the equation for that and the symptoms will cease.
 
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My school district has had metal detectors for years -as well as many surrounding districts. I never heard where backpacks posed a problem. Considering the frills that school boards push through the budget and the wasteful way they spend other peoples money, today's metal detectors are not a big ticket item. I believe you are being overzealous in your attempt to dissuade the readers acceptance of these proven proactive tools.
So, in your opinion, it is mean and degrading to subject students and teachers to pass through a metal detector? Perhaps these machines WILL cause permanent emotional damage which will result in more snowflakes.
Don't lose touch with reality. Our younger generation is subjected to dangers that we didn't have to worry about. It has nothing to do with subjecting them to pass through a metal detector. Backpacks pose a huge problem. Without the machines, they would have to be individually searched. You go to a concert or sports venue with a backpack, it will be searched. Without the X-Ray machines, it's the only way to determine what you have in there. There is much more than metallic items to be concerned about. Depending upon the sensitivity level the detectors, a belt buckle with trigger them. If they aren't set up properly, they are there for looks only, or perhaps to make the parents feel their children are safe. Not only do students carry metallic objects, teachers do also. A couple of metal clad pens will set if off. Keys, cell phone, the clasps on a briefcase, etc; etc.

Edit: The lives of those students and teachers are every bit as important as the lives of the Judges and staff in a Federal Court building. They deserve the same protections. Putting in place the right types of signs on the property has proven to be a pretty good deterrent. The solution is simple. Finding the money to pay for it is the hard part. We can afford $700 Billion for our military budget, but can't come up with the money to safeguard the schools in our country:(
 
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A good start would be putting the 10 Commandments back in schools and teaching kids right from wrong. Many years ago kids used to take their smallbore rifles to school on the school bus! Society as a whole is degenerating on many levels and will take generations to fix.
 
No you don't. I did not quote either source. So where did you get that oh so wrong idea?
Are you claiming the cops will not kill 17 people before the year is over? You will lose that bet.
My comment was based on 5 different local cases in recent years where cops unnecessarily killed someone. I am sure you never heard of any of them. If a belligerent minority is not killed it will never reach your favorite megaphone.

Yes I do. And with 100% comprehension.
 
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See you are scrambling to stick your finger in the dike.
The issue is a bunch of cry babies that cannot deal with reality. There is no cheap easy form of instant gratification that will solve the cry babies problems except registration, confiscation and prohibition. My comments are way more relevant than yours because you seem to think there is a solution. There isn't any permanent solution. There will always be atrocities as long as the schools are open and the cops only take action after the fact or not at all.

I have to laugh at your teacher comments. Really laugh....
Teachers in my family go back 4 generations including my mother.
You don' t really know a thing about teachers.

Honestly, why did you not throw out a fork made rosie odonell fat? Task at hand here is children are getting shot in schools, and it's a very threat to gun owners in some form. The issue isn't death by cop, or vehicle accidents, and right now those arguments are irrelevant as hell.
I'm actually friends with younger teachers, and acquaintances with more than few, most went to college right out of high school for 4 yrs to become educators.
 
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