NRA AR-Tactical rifle div, questions.

[Albany Mountain]

It depends on how much help I have and whether the help provides the ability to properly officiate those events according to the established rules. I don't think any match director should plan events that cannot be properly officiated. There is a lot more to it than "hanging targets." A lot of facilities have separated their F-Class matches from the traditional high power disciplines. Since AR Tactical is a new and rapidly growing discipline, I expect there would be a lot of demand. But being new, there would likely also be some grace during the provisional period as directors come up the learning curve to support it.

I expect in most places there will be much more demand and growth for F-Class and Tactical AR than for the traditional high power classes. If demand were to emerge, I think a match director focused on F-Class and Tactical AR would need help from more experienced shooters, or would do well to leave those disciplines to directors experienced with them. "Mission creep" can torpedo lots of good ideas that depend on volunteer labor when the volunteers lack the required experience to carry out the added mission elements.

This is the first I ever heard of this. And would say that eliminating sling shooters is a real kick in the pants in that most (if not all) ranges that F class is shot on, were funded and built by the sling shooters. I guess I would need an explanation of what additional experience is needed to officiate and operate a F class match to include sling shooters.

 

[Berger.Fan222]

This is the first I ever heard of this. And would say that eliminating sling shooters is a real kick in the pants in that most (if not all) ranges that F class is shot on, were funded and built by the sling shooters. I guess I would need an explanation of what additional experience is needed to officiate and operate a F class match to include sling shooters.

In most cases, it is more a matter of establishing a separate match for F-Class shooters at a location that already has sling tourneys regularly but does not include the F-Class shooters. There is one next week at the Talladega CMP that includes sling but not F-Class.

The Rule Book is 48 pages long with a lot of info not pertinent to F-Class that many F-Class shooters may not understand. Yet:

3.18 General—All devices or equipment which may facilitate shooting and which are not mentioned in these rules, or which are contrary to the spirit of these rules and regulations, are forbidden. The Match Director, Official Referee, Jury Chairman or Supervisor shall have the right to examine a shooter’s equipment or apparel. The responsibility shall be upon the competitor to submit questionable equipment and apparel for official inspection and approval in sufficient time prior to the beginning of a match so that it will not inconvenience either the competitor or the official.

It seems clear to me that support for sling would require some combination of Match Director, Official Referee, Jury Chairman, or Supervisor with the knowledge and experience to carry out the above duties.

The words "Jury," "Supervisor," and "Referee" occur in the rule book dozens of times, and I'm not sure attempts to fulfill those roles by folks without lots of experience in a discipline would be appreciated by shooters.

 

[Albany Mountain]

Thanks for the reply. But if you are shooting NRA F class, I would think that rule 3.18 covers F class too since no specific mechanism exists for equip challenges per wording of:
22. F-CLASS RIFLE RULES

NOTE: these rules are provided for the conduct of F-class competition either separately or in conjunction with conventional NRA Long Range rifle competition. Scores fired in these competitions using the F-class modified targets will be used for classifcation.

In all cases where specific rules are not given here, the appropriate rules for High Power Rifle competition shall be used.

I'm just a big fan of 1 big party and with the decline of shooters, always welcome additional shooters (within the rules). With the exception of national and perhaps regional matches. I am in the camp of allowing both types on the same firing line.

In most cases, it is more a matter of establishing a separate match for F-Class shooters at a location that already has sling tourneys regularly but does not include the F-Class shooters. There is one next week at the Talladega CMP that includes sling but not F-Class.

The Rule Book is 48 pages long with a lot of info not pertinent to F-Class that many F-Class shooters may not understand. Yet:

3.18 General—All devices or equipment which may facilitate shooting and which are not mentioned in these rules, or which are contrary to the spirit of these rules and regulations, are forbidden. The Match Director, Official Referee, Jury Chairman or Supervisor shall have the right to examine a shooter’s equipment or apparel. The responsibility shall be upon the competitor to submit questionable equipment and apparel for official inspection and approval in sufficient time prior to the beginning of a match so that it will not inconvenience either the competitor or the official.

It seems clear to me that support for sling would require some combination of Match Director, Official Referee, Jury Chairman, or Supervisor with the knowledge and experience to carry out the above duties.

The words "Jury," "Supervisor," and "Referee" occur in the rule book dozens of times, and I'm not sure attempts to fulfill those roles by folks without lots of experience in a discipline would be appreciated by shooters.

Thanks

 

[Park ranger]

Well, us sling shooters still have perry :-/

 

[243Mendoza]

Well, us sling shooters still have perry :-/

Not sure if you heard that the NRA Nationals for highpower has been moved to Camp Atterbury, IN

 

[Park ranger]

Not sure if you heard that the NRA Nationals for highpower has been moved to Camp Atterbury, IN

I just heard. Now I have to pick between long range or CMP board matches. Urg...

 

[Rtheurer]

In most cases, it is more a matter of establishing a separate match for F-Class shooters at a location that already has sling tourneys regularly but does not include the F-Class shooters. There is one next week at the Talladega CMP that includes sling but not F-Class.

The Rule Book is 48 pages long with a lot of info not pertinent to F-Class that many F-Class shooters may not understand. Yet:

3.18 General—All devices or equipment which may facilitate shooting and which are not mentioned in these rules, or which are contrary to the spirit of these rules and regulations, are forbidden. The Match Director, Official Referee, Jury Chairman or Supervisor shall have the right to examine a shooter’s equipment or apparel. The responsibility shall be upon the competitor to submit questionable equipment and apparel for official inspection and approval in sufficient time prior to the beginning of a match so that it will not inconvenience either the competitor or the official.

It seems clear to me that support for sling would require some combination of Match Director, Official Referee, Jury Chairman, or Supervisor with the knowledge and experience to carry out the above duties.

The words "Jury," "Supervisor," and "Referee" occur in the rule book dozens of times, and I'm not sure attempts to fulfill those roles by folks without lots of experience in a discipline would be appreciated by shooters.

 

[Rtheurer]

Please don't bleed CMP in with NRA sling shooting as they are two different governing bodies. F Class did not come from or originate from US CMP. It came from the DCRA and its Sling or Fullbore shooting and migrated to the US and the US NRA stye matches. NOT CMP and Talladega. Their choice (Talladega) to allow F class shooters to shoot on or in a NON NRA Sectioned event should have ZERO being on other clubs in the US that shoot NRA matches both Sling and F class.

Those rules that you point out.... F class has to abide by also... I don't see your point really. Maybe I am missing something. You need all those personel identified prior to any NRA match weather it be Smallbore, Bullseye pistol, NRA High power XTC or Long Range Mid Range.. to include F class OR Sling.

Have you ever ran a Match before? Just wondering.

 

[Berger.Fan222]

Those rules that you point out.... F class has to abide by also... I don't see your point really. Maybe I am missing something. You need all those personel identified prior to any NRA match weather it be Smallbore, Bullseye pistol, NRA High power XTC or Long Range Mid Range.. to include F class OR Sling.

Have you ever ran a Match before? Just wondering.

Yes. My point is that interpreting rules and applying them reasonably is much easier in shooting disciplines in which one has participated for many years than in disciplines in which one has never participated.

Who wants arena football refs referring NFL games?

 

[Heman]

You don't need special refs for F-class matches. We shoot all our prone matches at Atterbury with both sling and F-Class together. F-Class is part of Highpower it is not its own seperate entity. The different rules are concerning equipment, as far as running a match all rules are the same aside from targets.