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Rem action accuracy

shoot4fun said:
Accuracy/precision is not all in the action but for a specific purpose one needs a specific action to accommodate the demands of the task. Any rifle can be more or less accurate/precise with any action.
You don't say what the build is meant to do for you.
Benchrest? Answer is no. Build on a custom with (if you are right-handed) RBLPRE configuration.
F-Class? I would hazard that a 700 could do the work of a custom in FT-R matches.
Precision/Tactical? Of course it can. Not unusual to find a 700 action build at/near the top of the heap.
I am having a rifle built at this time. The original plan was to spend $1,000+ for a custom action but I got an older model 700 with tactical bolt knob, all the necessary pins, recoil lug, springs, etc, and a full truing job for $450. I'll build more ammo for the difference.
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What does your full truing job consist of and pins? lug? springs? and ETC?
 
WyleWD said:
In the UBR modified class that you're shooting in, are you scoring well in that class? Or have you reached a plateau and can't seem to score above like 255 or something? What are your best, and what are your average group sizes? Just curious. WD
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This is my first year in br and I'm doing ok so far. My skills aren't close to the guys at the matches and I am learning every match. I know a new build won't help me win , only practice will do that. But I like new guns.
 
ttfreestyle said:
This is my first year in br and I'm doing ok so far. My skills aren't close to the guys at the matches and I am learning every match. I know a new build won't help me win , only practice will do that. But I like new guns.
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Nothing wrong with a new rifle now and then.;). It helps me to shoot more than one rifle at a match like UBR. Helps me keep my head in the game rather than just sitting around BS'ing or waiting an hour or two for the next relay. Maybe a good idea to buy a new custom rifle.:)

And did I mention that you are shooting against some excellent shooters in the UBR?? o_O WD
 
ttfreestyle said:
I am presently shooting UBR modified which is factory actions only. Thinking of another build and was wondering what causes a rem to be less accurate than a custom. I see the custom guys running left load right eject fast and beating the condition change, is it the differences in the actions or the way the actions run that makes the biggest difference?
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Well, Tony Boyer uses Rt/Rt actions and it does not appear to handicap him. Very hard to make a Remington run smooth as a custom.....Remember you are taking an existing mass production action which may be warped from heat treat and attempting to true and close up the tolerances you have to make compromises. ...one of which the chatter marks on the feed rails is hard to correct. The Customs ability to run heavier loads cannot be overstated.
The real question is why use Remington when to get one as close to a custom will be more than a custom: single shot 700 action- $450 +ship $25, Kiff bolt w/ M16 extractor $300, bolt handle $45, bolt shroud $40, Holland FP ass'y $60, Davidson scope base $40, ground recoil lug $55 = $1015 in parts alone( prices are incl shipping).
 
LHSmith said:
The real question is why use Remington when to get one as close to a custom will be more than a custom: single shot 700 action- $450 +ship $25, Kiff bolt w/ M16 extractor $300, bolt handle $45, bolt shroud $40, Holland FP ass'y $60, Davidson scope base $40, ground recoil lug $55 = $1015 in parts alone( prices are incl shipping).
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If I stay in modified class there is no real question, it's factory actions only.
Just wondering if a rem can't be as accurate what specifically was the reason.

WyleWD said:
Nothing wrong with a new rifle now and then.;). It helps me to shoot more than one rifle at a match like UBR. Helps me keep my head in the game rather than just sitting around BS'ing or waiting an hour or two for the next relay. Maybe a good idea to buy a new custom rifle.:)

And did I mention that you are shooting against some excellent shooters in the UBR?? o_O WD
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Yes, the guys in UBR have been great to us helping in every way and putting up with newbies just like you guys on here. It's much appreciated.
 
ttfreestyle said:
I am presently shooting UBR modified which is factory actions only. Thinking of another build and was wondering what causes a rem to be less accurate than a custom. I see the custom guys running left load right eject fast and beating the condition change, is it the differences in the actions or the way the actions run that makes the biggest difference?
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ttfreestyle said:
I am presently shooting UBR modified which is factory actions only. Thinking of another build and was wondering what causes a rem to be less accurate than a custom. I see the custom guys running left load right eject fast and beating the condition change, is it the differences in the actions or the way the actions run that makes the biggest difference?
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I don't know the answer to this, but I can't help but think that top guys winning with their custom action would still win with a trued REM 700. Maybe there is more reasons they choose a custom action besides an accuracy/perceived accuracy advantage.

How do you really test it(accuracy advantage)? I mean a back to back comparison, the barrel from a panda then put it on a rem 700 and compare results.

And I'm wondering the same thing as ttfreestyle, what is it about a 700 remington (trued of course) that directly effects accuracy that a custom doesn't have?
 
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WyleWD said:
Nothing wrong with a new rifle now and then.;). It helps me to shoot more than one rifle at a match like UBR. Helps me keep my head in the game rather than just sitting around BS'ing or waiting an hour or two for the next relay. Maybe a good idea to buy a new custom rifle.:)

And did I mention that you are shooting against some excellent shooters in the UBR?? o_O WD
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As my mentor told me when I started shooting 2 guns , a LV and a HV, in IBS Score matches..."go right ahead, but there have been very few shooters that could shoot 2-gun and win" As you can appreciate having done so, it is very hard to keep track of the different aiming points required for each gun and keeping both in tune. It is double the fun, and you get a good picture of the conditions as they cycle, however, it does not beat the fun of winning a Registered Match.
 
LHSmith said:
As my mentor told me when I started shooting 2 guns , a LV and a HV, in IBS Score matches..."go right ahead, but there have been very few shooters that could shoot 2-gun and win" As you can appreciate having done so, it is very hard to keep track of the different aiming points required for each gun and keeping both in tune. It is double the fun, and you get a good picture of the conditions as they cycle, however, it does not beat the fun of winning a Registered Match.
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I wouldn't totally disagree with your mentor's advice. Some shooters can't manage that very well at all for a host of reasons. (Or excuses);)
It just seems to work out best for me and several other shooters that I compete against to go with the 2 gun route. JMHO, but knowing and having confidence in your equipment is a significant part of the game. If you can learn with one rifle and it helps you score better with the other one that's fine. And if you can put both of them in the top 5, or even better yet put both of them in first place..... you're right, it is quite satisfying to say the least. Done it once and seen it done several times. ;)
 
Short answer YES.
I have 4 Barnard Action Long Range Rifles. Great Stuff.

I built 2 back up Rifles with Remington SA. Pacific Tool one Pc. Bolts ETC.
I have shot one of my best ever scores with one of the Remington's in a Tube Stock !
I will add the total cost to tune a Remington may run higher than a custom action ? I do a lot of my work myself.
Best of Luck.
Don
 
Im still not sure why guys go through the hassle of fixing 700's. Say you buy a 700 action for 400 to tune up. Now add 250 to recut threads and bolt surfaces, 40 for a lug, 80 for bolt timing, 80 if the firing pin hole needs bushed for the 47 and br cases, and a 100 for a rail bedded to the reciver. Thats 550 dollars to bring it up to snuff. That doesn't include bushing the bolt etc. You now have 950 dollars in a factory action. You can get a stiller w a 20 moa rail for 1000 bucks or less. I sell them for 910 shipped. Now if your shooting discipline doesn't require a factory action it becomes stupid to use one when you compare costs. Let alone the resale value on tuned 700 vs custom. Ive never lost money on any of the custom action rifles Ive used myself and then sold. Usually they have sold for the brand new retail cost. Doesn't hurt that they've all broken records though, lol.
 
rpierce said:
Im still not sure why guys go through the hassle of fixing 700's. Say you buy a 700 action for 400 to tune up. Now add 250 to recut threads and bolt surfaces, 40 for a lug, 80 for bolt timing, 80 if the firing pin hole needs bushed for the 47 and br cases, and a 100 for a rail bedded to the reciver. Thats 550 dollars to bring it up to snuff. That doesn't include bushing the bolt etc. You now have 950 dollars in a factory action. You can get a stiller w a 20 moa rail for 1000 bucks or less. I sell them for 910 shipped. Now if your shooting discipline doesn't require a factory action it becomes stupid to use one when you compare costs. Let alone the resale value on tuned 700 vs custom. Ive never lost money on any of the custom action rifles Ive used myself and then sold. Usually they have sold for the brand new retail cost. Doesn't hurt that they've all broken records though, lol.
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For the reasons you have listed is why you get a custom . But a Remington will shoot as good . With a custom you can also have port configuration that is needed . Larry
 
Yep a remington will shoot just as good. Ive broken several records with them and built countless 1/4moa and less rifles with them. However for the price diff alone between the tuned 700 and a custom is why I no longer build off 700s. Ya I can make more money doing them but its a pain and Im ripping the customer off by building off a 700 when for the same price he can get a custom. The other nice thing is I can build a rifle twice as fast on a custom vs a 700. Get the action in and check it over, chamber it, brake it and bed it in one day. Ya it makes for a pretty long day but I do it quite often. Let the bedding cure for a couple days, while its curing Im building more rifles, pop barreled action out clean it up and do the final assembly. And like you said. The custom allows you to get exactly what you want.
 
I wonder what the profit margin is on a custom action?

If I had a rem 700 in hand already and didn't want to spend another $1100 I might just have it trued instead

Greg tannel charges $450 for complete Accurizing of a 700 style receiver. That includes bushing the firing pin hole trueing and bushing the bolt and a different firing pin and spring if you so choose.

So I would be spending $900 total instead of $900-$1100 on top of the $450 I previously spent for the 700 I have. Id be saving $300-$500 that I could use for whatever my little heart desires. If I was starting from scratch and wanted something true and straight then yeah a person might as well go with a custom.

And one more thing to think about how many people have put a match grade barrel on a untrued remington 700 and it shot amazing.
 
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boltman223 said:
I wonder what the profit margin is on a custom action?
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Profit margins is determined how many you can build and sell. The more you can build in a day the probability of more profit is there.
For a company to exist 60 to 80 percent over the cost of the prouduct can be espected. Many of the equipment that is need can cost millions . Plus tooling . Larry
 
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