Zee ring inserts?

[wyo]

In order to get an extra 20moa out of my scope using the Burris Zees [30mm rings], do the inserts provided with those rings give me that or do I have to order the appropriate inserts seperately.

Wyo

 

[DBailey]

The 30mm rings come with 0,+10,and -10 inserts.
20 moa is not a problem.

 

[DBailey]

The 30mm rings come with 0,+10,and -10 inserts.
20 MOA is not a problem

20 MOA is a problem.

The inserts are in thousandths of an inch, not MOA.

With a +10/-10 pair, which is what comes in the package with the 30MM's, you get 0.010" over the length of your ring spacing, usually about 5 inches.

0.010" over 5" = 0.024" per foot = 7.2" at 100 yards or slightly over 7 MOA.

Put the other +10/-10 pair in the other ring and you can get around 14 MOA.

The only way you could possibly get 20 MOA is if the centerline of the rings is only 3" apart.

You can make 20 MOA with the 1" rings because the inserts come in 0.005", 0.010", and 0.020". 30MM only come in zero and 0.010".

Man,
I thought I knew something, then somebody burst my bubble.,LOL)

 

[wyo]

Thanks, gunamonth, for the info.

Wyo

 

[RickB]

I have never had any luck with these rings. I have tried several different ones over a period of years and they were never stable, much less repeatable in mounting if removed. The machine work was very poor, even on the ones they sent me as a replacement for some I sent in that were just terrible. I can not recommend spending money on them. Other people have reported better results than I have experienced, but I wonder just how carefully they checked. It is difficult for me to believe that the machine work is so spotty that I am the only one buying bad ones from different sources over a period of years. It is a decent idea, just poorly done in my experience.

Good Luck

 

[memilanuk]

gunamonth,

Thanks for the explanation. It clears up some confusion I was having,not getting quite as much movement as 'advertised'); I'm having to use a set of these for *windage* shims,long story, trust me, it's an interim fix at best).

I will agree that while I like the *concept* of the Signature ring inserts... I think Burris could do a lot better than those ring bodies they put them in... basically glorified Tasco rings is about all they are. Just as I wish someone would buy the rights to make Lee Collet dies out of something other than aluminum so they don't feel so 'cheap', I sincerely wish someone else who makes *good* rings like Leupold, Warne, NightForce, Seekins Precision, etc. could get the rights to make ring bodies that use the Burris inserts.

YMMV,

Monte

 

[Preacher]

Jewell makes rings with inserts, but not exactly like Burris's...
It's kinda hard to figure how Burris Signature rings could be called glorified Tasco's, but to each his own I guess..

 

[memilanuk]

Simple.

Pick up a set of Tasco, w/ the split-side clamp.

Put it along side the Burris Signature Zee rings.

If you can't see the stunning similarity...

 

[wyo]

I bought a pair of Zees, 30mm rings and the machining and finish are fine, they don't look cheap to me. In fact, I couldn't care less if they look like "popular perception cheap" rings as long as they work as designed. By far, most of the experiences I've read about the performance of these rings is positive so until they don't work for me I don't care how much like Tasco's they look like. To each their own though.

Wyo

 

[stuball]

I would just get a 20 MOA base and not worry about the rings and trying to get extra MOA out of them.

 

[ronemus]

I've used Burris ring on my rifles for years, and have had no problems with POI changes and removal/replacement; any changes are much less than 1 MOA. The Burris rings aren't works of art, but they're well made and perform well.

 

[Preacher]

The Signature rings are all I ever use, or put on for others if I have my way and never had a problem with any of them, and I like the made in the USA part...............
If Tasco copied Burris's rings,except for the inserts) look they must like em too.....

 

[wyo]

Actually, aesthetically speaking, I've always preferred rings with a radiused profile on the outer surfaces. I don't like angular, clunky looking rings on top of a round receivered bolt action. Just my personal preference as far as looks go, so, I think the Burris Zees look rather nice. Yet, I purchased these rings primarily for the advantage engineered into them that the inserts provide for the intial scope fit/adjustment and the protection they will provide for my scopes finish. It appears that [according to Gunamonth's helpful reply] they will give me enough windage for the varmint rifle I'm going to use them on and at the ranges I'll be doing most of my shooting at. Although any thing can go wrong with scope mounting systems I don't anticipate I'll have any problems with Burris Zee rings. Too many shooters seem to get along great with them.

 

[Preacher]

I like em twice as much as most folks do ....

 

[wyo]

Real purty. The rings look great. Can hardly wait to receive my gun and get my scope mounted.

Wyo

 

[Ackman]

I have never had any luck with these rings. I have tried several different ones over a period of years and they were never stable, much less repeatable in mounting if removed. The machine work was very poor, even on the ones they sent me as a replacement for some I sent in that were just terrible. I can not recommend spending money on them. Other people have reported better results than I have experienced, but I wonder just how carefully they checked. It is difficult for me to believe that the machine work is so spotty that I am the only one buying bad ones from different sources over a period of years. It is a decent idea, just poorly done in my experience.

Good Luck

You and Milanuk have some strange ideas. That "spotty machine work" stuff is pure nonsense. Signature rings sure as hell aren't unstable, and being "repeatable?" That's not even a factor. They do absolutely eliminate any possibility of ring misalignment and they leave no ring marks. With probably at least 15 sets of those rings I've never ever had a problem and wouldn't use anything else.

 

[Turk1961]

I too, have had no problems with the Burris Sig Zee ring inserts. Used only them for the last ten or twelve years now. On everything from my 7 1/2 lb 338 Win Mag to bunch of 22lr target guns. Over 19 rifles and 4 pistols,44 mag, 357 Max & 22lr). Used a 36x Weaver scope to test loads with and then put the final use scope on the rifle. Never had a problem moving the Weaver around from gun to gun. All done with Burris Sig Zee rings. Both 1" and 30mm rings.

My only grip is that Burris needs to make a low Sig Zee ring. :,

 

[Cheaha]

I've used 1" and 30MM Signature rings for many years with zero problems. Had a 338 Ultra,250gr A-Frames @ 3000fps) with a big ole heavy Swarovski PH 3x12x50 mounted in dual-dovetail Sig rings and the scope never shifted through an exhaustive load development that ran the gamut from 160gr X bullets thru the aformentioned 250gr A-Frames. Had 'em with the old standard turn-in front/windage screw back ring set up, Dual Dovetail and Weaver type Zee Signature models. Probably used at least 20 sets myself and mounted that many more for others. They may not look cool or sexy to some but they look fine to me and are rock solid in my experience. That's all I use,Zee Signature) anymore.

 

[Ogre6br]

slightly OT but do Sako make inserts for their Opti-locks and how do Opti-locks compare with Burris sig Zee rings??

thanks
later
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[culpeper]

so, the link here refers to gunamonth's OP on the topic with a link to the forums.

http://www.accurateshooter.com/optics/calculating-elevation-shift-with-burris-signature-rings/

Only gunamonth doesn't appear to have any more posts on the forums. Appears somebody quoted him though on page 1.