Ledd Slinger
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What's the twist and bullets you're using?
x-caliber barrels
- Thread starter Riesel
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butchlambert
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Ledd Slinger said:
Lead slanger,
Ridgeway posted 2 times in this thread about his barrel specs. I believe he also posted the bullets that he is trying.
Ridgeway has pulled the trigger a couple times. He will be fine.
Ledd Slinger
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butchlambert said:
Just curious. Sorry for not memorizing the thread Butch. I'll try to measure up to your standards from now on.
ridgeway, sounds like a good recipe for hogs. Hope it works out for you. If you still have trouble with accuracy using other powders, just get ahold of Dustin Berg in the office at X-Caliber and he'll work with you. Even get you a new barrel if need be. But I'm sure you'll get it shooting really well. Good luck.
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Just curious. Sorry for not memorizing the thread Butch. I'll try to measure up to your standards from now on.
I'll let you know.
I'll let you know.
Ledd Slinger
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butchlambert said:
Lol. Sounds good ;D
Yeah...its showing some promise. The fireformed cases should be of some help...plus I plan on trying some H322, 4895 and varget. It's a difficult stock to shoot off bags...I've been free recoiling it and takes a bit to get it back on target. Will be shot on a bipod or sticks in the field.Ledd Slinger said:
Just some FYI,
I ordered (3) 6.5mm blanks for evaluation. Planned to chamber all in 6.5X284 and push them pretty hard, ordered 33" blank so could finish at 32" with a few inches spare to cut off tenon and re chamber, thought I would attempt a thorough evaluation. Barrels showed up today at 28". Did show up 2 weeks from date of my order. Very nice people to talk with, at present they are not tooled up to make a 33" blank in 6.5, however drill should be ready in few weeks. One interesting note, the outside surface is a little rough from turning, may require quite a bit of work to get to polished finish, will try to scope the bore tonight.
I ordered (3) 6.5mm blanks for evaluation. Planned to chamber all in 6.5X284 and push them pretty hard, ordered 33" blank so could finish at 32" with a few inches spare to cut off tenon and re chamber, thought I would attempt a thorough evaluation. Barrels showed up today at 28". Did show up 2 weeks from date of my order. Very nice people to talk with, at present they are not tooled up to make a 33" blank in 6.5, however drill should be ready in few weeks. One interesting note, the outside surface is a little rough from turning, may require quite a bit of work to get to polished finish, will try to scope the bore tonight.
My story
After 2 1/2 months of stories and email's from Jon (who is now gone then Dustin) they informed me they could not make a 6.5 31" blank that was supposedly made and in heat treat 3 weeks after I ordered it?? Asked for refund and they did, nice folk's but need to get there stories straight.
Bob
After 2 1/2 months of stories and email's from Jon (who is now gone then Dustin) they informed me they could not make a 6.5 31" blank that was supposedly made and in heat treat 3 weeks after I ordered it?? Asked for refund and they did, nice folk's but need to get there stories straight.
Bob
Riesel
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I found those targets interesting as it looks like my 6BR targets. Looks like the 28.8 and 29.1 load were good, I'm guessing a probable node and when you kept moving up you found another node at 29.7 with a flier. I experience the same thing and settled in at the lower powder. Really wasn't much of a velocity increase with the extra powder.
I'm impressed with the results you are getting and really like that stock on your rifle.
I'm impressed with the results you are getting and really like that stock on your rifle.
AckleymanII
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Ridgeway, you have some shifting winds on that target for sure!
I ordered a 6mm, 10 twist and chambered it with a new PTG 6RRX with .030 freebore.
Barrel is an unturned blank, finished 26"long. The barrel is fitted to a Rem 700 and is in a weighted McMillen weighted stock, old BR style.
Groups with the 62g berger are in the 3830 fps area and are agging in the .190 area and on the .230 on the high side while looking for the sweet spot on the seating depth. Jamming 0.020 reduced the ES to 4 FPS with H335 with CCI BR4's and of course Lapua non turn neck brass.
Now the 55g Noslers were loping along at 4100 with H335, with a 9 fps ES, and groups were in the mid 1's and low 2's, but the wind flag was starting to do cart wheels from storms moving in.
Groups with the 70g Noslers aged about .500 with a 4 grain spread in powder charge, and obviously the barrel needs to be throated out a tad for the 70g to the 87g bullets.
Even at these speeds, the barrel has never copper fouled with only a tinge of blue showing up with the Montana Extreme Copper killer, which shocked me seriously.
I used the Hawkeye and saw nothing serious, barrel quality looked great.
Using the Grizzley rod, I did not find a sweep in the barrel with the proper bushings.
It is time to order a dozen of these barrels for varmint calibers and some deer hunting rifles. These are some darn serous good barrels, if they are like my ONE sample.
I can comment on one thing, the hole in the barrel is drilled straight, area in front of the throat is straight, lands height is uniform, and the darn thing exhibits the copper fouling traits of the very best barrels.
They have some limitations on their lengths at present, so be aware of that fact when you order.
I ordered a 6mm, 10 twist and chambered it with a new PTG 6RRX with .030 freebore.
Barrel is an unturned blank, finished 26"long. The barrel is fitted to a Rem 700 and is in a weighted McMillen weighted stock, old BR style.
Groups with the 62g berger are in the 3830 fps area and are agging in the .190 area and on the .230 on the high side while looking for the sweet spot on the seating depth. Jamming 0.020 reduced the ES to 4 FPS with H335 with CCI BR4's and of course Lapua non turn neck brass.
Now the 55g Noslers were loping along at 4100 with H335, with a 9 fps ES, and groups were in the mid 1's and low 2's, but the wind flag was starting to do cart wheels from storms moving in.
Groups with the 70g Noslers aged about .500 with a 4 grain spread in powder charge, and obviously the barrel needs to be throated out a tad for the 70g to the 87g bullets.
Even at these speeds, the barrel has never copper fouled with only a tinge of blue showing up with the Montana Extreme Copper killer, which shocked me seriously.
I used the Hawkeye and saw nothing serious, barrel quality looked great.
Using the Grizzley rod, I did not find a sweep in the barrel with the proper bushings.
It is time to order a dozen of these barrels for varmint calibers and some deer hunting rifles. These are some darn serous good barrels, if they are like my ONE sample.
I can comment on one thing, the hole in the barrel is drilled straight, area in front of the throat is straight, lands height is uniform, and the darn thing exhibits the copper fouling traits of the very best barrels.
They have some limitations on their lengths at present, so be aware of that fact when you order.
AckleymanII
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Bobr1, they never told me they could make anything on a 31" length other than a 7mm barrel, Jon I was talking to. This is a new business, with some of the best equipment, growing pain of sorts are to be expected. They have been stellar to deal with for me, and I ask some darn picky questions. Their heat treat QC is some of the best in the business.
butchlambert
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Groups with the 62g berger are in the 3830 fps area and are agging in the .190 area and on the .230 on the high side while looking for the sweet spot on the seating depth. Jamming 0.020 reduced the ES to 4 FPS with H335 with CCI BR4's and of course Lapua non turn neck brass.
Now the 55g Noslers were loping along at 4100 with H335, with a 9 fps ES, and groups were in the mid 1's and low 2's, but the wind flag was starting to do cart wheels from storms moving in.
Can you post targets like Ridgeway posted. Several groups on one sheet of targets.
Now the 55g Noslers were loping along at 4100 with H335, with a 9 fps ES, and groups were in the mid 1's and low 2's, but the wind flag was starting to do cart wheels from storms moving in.
Can you post targets like Ridgeway posted. Several groups on one sheet of targets.
AckleymanII
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I will do it Butch, a flock of bug holes are hard to argue with. We have our own rifle range to 300 yds, shoot out of a small house I built, loading benches right behind the indoor shooting benches. Plenty of wind flags, and Ohler 35 right outside the shooting window. AC unit cools the barrels, rack made to fit the stocks in front of the AC unit. The rifle weights 24 lbs which also does not hurt.
I shot BR for years, made my own bullets...not new to this kind of stuff.
groups in the .190 do not impress me all that much, now the low 1's and high zero's, that gets my attention.
I chamber my own rifles also.
I had rather eat a rat than shoot another registered BR match, but love to shoot with friends...everybody wins...bbq on the front porch.
In 1990, I chambered a 30" Hart unturned blank, ran a 6 BR reamer in .100 deeper than the 6 BR. I shot more zero's with that barrel with my 60g Flat base with a .070 meplat, .2435 pressure ring, .2433 shank dia, jammed 0.030 shooting a load of H335, in Rem brass with Rem 7 1/2's than with any other BR rig I have ever shot. Gene Harwood was a mentor and he urged me to try the 6 BR long after conversing with Jim Williams on the project. Gene had sat a World Record some time in the 1980's with the 6 BR with his own 60g bullets in a HV rig at 3700 fps on a 24" barrel. He said that there was something magic about H335 and the 60g bullet at 3700 fps and I might expect even better accuracy at some higher velocities. Well, Gene's and Jim Williams theory proved correct. Gene Harwood had been director of the NBRSA and owned more bullet making dies than anyone that I had ever known.
Now Jim Williams cartridge of the 6 BR Long is known as the 6 BRX...I really don't know who deserves the credit..don't care.
Lots of guys are looking for good Varmint barrels, hunting barrels, informal target shooting barrels, X caliber barrels will serve them well....no doubt about that issue at all. As to whether or not the X caliber barrel will enter the arena of the top grade match winning barrels is yet to be seen, and I am a doubting Thomas on this issue as I have about half a dozen favorites of my own. One thing for sure, X caliber has some of the best and newest equipment in the business! They did not buy a bunch of used crap to start a business with.
Another thing about X caliber, their attitude toward customers is some of the best in the business. Hard to put a price on customer loyalty, RCBS, Leupold, and the Harrell's product line come to mind.
I shot BR for years, made my own bullets...not new to this kind of stuff.
groups in the .190 do not impress me all that much, now the low 1's and high zero's, that gets my attention.
I chamber my own rifles also.
I had rather eat a rat than shoot another registered BR match, but love to shoot with friends...everybody wins...bbq on the front porch.
In 1990, I chambered a 30" Hart unturned blank, ran a 6 BR reamer in .100 deeper than the 6 BR. I shot more zero's with that barrel with my 60g Flat base with a .070 meplat, .2435 pressure ring, .2433 shank dia, jammed 0.030 shooting a load of H335, in Rem brass with Rem 7 1/2's than with any other BR rig I have ever shot. Gene Harwood was a mentor and he urged me to try the 6 BR long after conversing with Jim Williams on the project. Gene had sat a World Record some time in the 1980's with the 6 BR with his own 60g bullets in a HV rig at 3700 fps on a 24" barrel. He said that there was something magic about H335 and the 60g bullet at 3700 fps and I might expect even better accuracy at some higher velocities. Well, Gene's and Jim Williams theory proved correct. Gene Harwood had been director of the NBRSA and owned more bullet making dies than anyone that I had ever known.
Now Jim Williams cartridge of the 6 BR Long is known as the 6 BRX...I really don't know who deserves the credit..don't care.
Lots of guys are looking for good Varmint barrels, hunting barrels, informal target shooting barrels, X caliber barrels will serve them well....no doubt about that issue at all. As to whether or not the X caliber barrel will enter the arena of the top grade match winning barrels is yet to be seen, and I am a doubting Thomas on this issue as I have about half a dozen favorites of my own. One thing for sure, X caliber has some of the best and newest equipment in the business! They did not buy a bunch of used crap to start a business with.
Another thing about X caliber, their attitude toward customers is some of the best in the business. Hard to put a price on customer loyalty, RCBS, Leupold, and the Harrell's product line come to mind.
Thanks...its a bugger to shoot off bags fast!Riesel said:
Yes, for sure. Extremely twitchy day and didn't put out any flags. Just looking for a decent node to work on.ackleyman II said:
I'm finding the same thing, blue on a patch or two. Cleans up very nice!
Same here
I indexed mine, but found it so straight, I did not bother clocking it.
I dialed my chamber side in with my long reach Interapid. Roughed in the tenon a little over sized, pre drilled and reached reached the indicator up in the throat area, no change and did not need to tweak the bore. Left it at that and the outcome was pretty much perfect.
Dan, I didn't put much work into it. There is still a few marks and light gouges yet. I use a barrel spinner that I made and a 1x42 Kalamazoo belt sander. I started with a worn 400 belt and made my way up to 800. I only spent about 15-20 min on it. Next time its off, I may put a nicer finish on it. I kinda liked the original heat treat tint that was on it when it came...
Ledd Slinger
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ridgeway said:
+1
I kind of wished I could have left mine that way too, but I got it as a blank, so it had to be turned down to contour. Almost like a light blueing effect after it goes through heat treatment. Kinda cool. Would have to buy one pre-contoured to keep the tint.
Thanks guys,
What do you guys think of these small tool marks (I assume) that are perpendicular to the bore? I don't know enough about the barrel making process to know how they got there or if they are of any significance.
https://vimeo.com/125527101
Starts a little blurry but starting at second 43 your can see what I am looking at
sorry for less than professional video, best my phone camera and I could come up with.
Dan
What do you guys think of these small tool marks (I assume) that are perpendicular to the bore? I don't know enough about the barrel making process to know how they got there or if they are of any significance.
https://vimeo.com/125527101
Starts a little blurry but starting at second 43 your can see what I am looking at
sorry for less than professional video, best my phone camera and I could come up with.
Dan
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