Wolves in Yellowstone

[mslman]

Just my 2c....the 2011 budget bill that had the language removing them from the endangered species list in Montana, Idaho, Washington, Oregon and Utah was just a start. I can't believe for the life of me that a conservative judge can't/won't issue an injunction preventing them from being put on the list in Wyoming or any other remaining state. At lease that way it gets fast-tracked to the Supreme Court. At the very least, the representatives from Wyoming need to follow suit and get the same language added to some bill and be done with it.

The bigger question is why are they on it to begin with. That species of wolf lives abundantly in Canada and is in no way threatened or endangered. Under the ESA, species may be listed as either endangered or threatened. “Endangered” means a species is in danger of extinction throughout all or a significant portion of its range. “Threatened” means a species is likely to become endangered within the foreseeable future. The most recent data available (end of 2013) indicate that the NRM wolf population contains at least 1,691 wolves, at least 320 packs, and at least 78 breeding pairs. This population has exceeded its recovery goals since 2002. By every biological measure the NRM wolf population is recovered and remains secure under State management.

Their (tree huggers) first argument was that they were here before us and must be allowed to come back. Their next was that there was not enough genetic diversity; long after the reintroduction goals were met I might add. Now it's that they have not returned to their historic range. What's next?

 

[spencerhenry]

i was just up hunting coyotes near cody wyoming, near the park. i hunted east and south of town mostly, though i killed 3 coyotes there, there are very few around. in fact there is very little wildlife at all. no deer at all, no elk, a few antelope, and just a few rabbits. i could walk a couple of miles and never cut a track of anything but beef or antelope. i spent 9 days hunting in wyoming, every now and then i would find a track that i assume had to be a wolf. there would be coyote tracks and then a dog type track about twice the size. not the 4" across that i saw in alaska, but clearly far larger than a coyote.
it was not until i got into farm areas or south of i-80 that i saw any deer in the state!

the reintroduction of wolves is simply a way to decimate the game herds so that there will be no hunting. it is a win win for the enviros, they get their "natural ecosystem" and they get rid of hunting.

 

[Hydenseek]

The difference is us hunters have real jobs and aren't able to focus on what these special interest groups are doing. While we're working they are scheming ways to ease away our rights and force their ideas on us. I personally would like to see a nationwide group to go against the socialists. What makes it tough is many of these special interests receive their funding from the gov't through grants etc., then turn around and sue the gov't to get what they want in a sue and settle tactic.

90% of the people on this site that chastise about ethics of hunting for some reason don't make posts in these threads in opposition to the wolf. Take that for what it worth. My bet is treehuggers with flat guns.

 

[Rustystud]

While you guys have been talking about the wolf problems out west, you probably don't know we are having a wolf problem back east. Yes, Red wolves have been reintroduced here in North Carolina. The feds USFWS have spent 20 million of our tax dollars and lied and misinformed everyone of the real facts. They hopefully are about to have their plug pulled. These "red wolves" interbreed with coyotes and make a super large coyote. They are being trapped and killed as far as 200 miles from their designated home range. They kill deer and domestic animals on a daily basis. The USFWS has sued the NCWRC and gotten the Coyote season closed in 5 counties.
Nat Lambeth

 

[North Fork]

The wolves also have killed off most of the moose in my area. The good thing is most of the people where i live shoot them year around now i live in the salmon idaho area.This winter i have only seen two five point bulls and three spikes all winter.

 

[Hydenseek]

I think it is something like one wolf kills 23-24 elk on avg a year not counting the young they eat. Not sure on the moose. My area in NC has been devastated as well but by the red wolf. Deer and small game are virtually non existent, which is hard for many to believe. 5 years ago you would see 30 - 40 deer on a good afternoon sit.

These predation numbers are given by the wolfers which means there's a good chance they're on the low side. I was told by a U.S. Forest Service retired biologist (that is an avid hunter) that they believed that one red wolf ate 20-30 whitetails a year plus around 200 rabbits.

 

[LR coyote]

If you live in wolf country i would have the motto of i will take out a wolf to day. 1/16 strain wire will do the job. A bait pile and snares will put a hurt on them if you are serious. If you think the lib loons are going to let up,i have a bridge for sale in New York,you can buy cheap.

 

[North Fork]

We live buy the three S rule where i live.

 

[CSM19Z5M]

The wolves are just the latest attempt by the pajama wearing anti-gun people to stop hunting. I doubt that 90% of them have ever been in the wild or could tell a wolf from a coyote. Too many of them are just anti-hunting and anti-guns. They continually lie and never want to actually debate the subject and use factual, meaningful data. They have big money from backers with questionable agendas behind them and actually believe they are saving the world. Wolves are meat eaters and they hunt in packs and are very good at surviving. I don't hate the wolves, I admire them. But there has to be a reasonable balance in nature. I fear the wolves and their damage far less than I do the big money, left wing loonies and their hidden agendas.