why remage nut vs just spinning barrels on and off?

[hoz53]

Is a 5 shot group that can be covered with a dime 1/2 MOA?? Asking for a friend.

I hear alot more about those size groups than I see them. Strange how that works. LOL

 

[Tokay444]

I wasn’t discussing prefits. I clearly stated shouldered barrels.

But we are discussing shouldered prefits.

 

[Tokay444]

More broken record stuff.
IMHO, any "real" smith worth his salt, when fitting a "shouldered" barrel and NOT having the "Custom action" in hand should know enough to have the serial # and call the folks that made that action and get the specs that are needed to cut the proper shoulder. No two the same? Get and go by the specs.
When cutting a shouldered barrel for a take off (Remington) action, he better know the measurements or have the action in hand. Some folks just arn't understanding that point. No shoulder? No Problem.

For the price you pay for that Custom action, I would hope you could trust their written dimensions.
If you should call them and ask for a "shouldered barrel", they know the specs and can cut the shoulder accordingly. Don't think they would be cutting the shoulder with the head space NOT being spot on??

All my barrel manufacturer needed was the tenon print from the action manufacture published on their website. Never held my action, and never barreled another from the same manufacture. Routinely shoots in the ones and has even thrown a couple zeros, shot from a bipod and Gamechanger as a rear bag.
Shoulder. No problem.

 

[jackieschmidt]

title says it all---is it just a lack of bbl vise/action wrench? or?
Mark

I watched a shooter at our local gun club change a barrel on his Remington 700 that used a barrel nut. The barrel and nut were Shilen. He was going from 6 Creedmore to 308.

He had all of the right tools, and used a headspace gage to set the correct position of the barrel. It looked pretty straight forward. I was a little concerned that the wrench did not seem long enough to get the proper amount of torque on the nut.

Of course, this was not a glued in action. Using a barrel nut on a glue in is simply not a viable setup.

I can see the advantage of the barrel nut install for shooters who do not have access to gunsmith services in a timely manner. It might take a little trial and error to get your headspace perfect. but it is perfectly doable to anyone with some common sense.

As I said, the wrench looked a little short to induce the amount of torque I like,. His rifle, in my opinion, did Not shoot that well, which leads me to believe the barrel was possibly shifting.

 

[NorCalMikie]

But then you have a couple savage rifles.

For parts at least.

All my barrel manufacturer needed was the tenon print from the action manufacture published on their website.

There's those specs I mentioned. No specs? Good luck with that.

 

[Tokay444]

For parts at least.

There's those specs I mentioned. No specs? Good luck with that.

This is laughable at this point.
Do you not think a nutted barrel requires a drawing or measurements?

 

[NorCalMikie]

But we are discussing shouldered prefits.

Do you not think a nutted barrel requires a drawing or measurements?

The chamber is cut to standard Remington specs. The chambers are the same, shouldered or just threaded.
Threaded, and you use a NUT to adjust and secure it!! There's the Remage.
And it IS NOT a shouldered pre fit. That's the difference.

This is laughable at this point.

The only thing laughable is folks arn't getting the simple point that a shouldered barrel "needs specs to be set up and installed". Either have the specs in hand or the action to get the measurements to cut the shoulder as needed. No specs or action? You're just guessing.
Spin on? Send it. I'll spin it on, check the head space and go shooting.

 

[Tokay444]

The chamber is cut to standard Remington specs. The chambers are the same, shouldered or just threaded.
Threaded, and you use a NUT to adjust and secure it!! There's the Remage.
And it IS NOT a shouldered pre fit. That's the difference.

The only thing laughable is folks arn't getting the simple point that a shouldered barrel "needs specs to be set up and installed". Either have the specs in hand or the action to get the measurements to cut the shoulder as needed. No specs or action? You're just guessing.
Spin on? Send it. I'll spin it on, check the head space and go shooting.

No one is not getting that fact. You just think they're not. Nothing comes from nothing. OF COURSE there needs to be a fricken tenon print you numpty. You can't chamber any type of barrel without a print or dimensions.

 

[NorCalMikie]

Most folks (smiths) that I know of pretty much know the Remington barrel/tenon specs as well as a lot of others when it comes to chambering.
You know, the little note on the wall, above the lathe that they refer to when cutting the chamber on a Remington barrel being that they're so popular?
Knowing the "action specs" so they can set the head space position of the "shoulder" without having the action in hand is where the problems comes in.
Doesn't seem like folks are catching that point, including you eah?
And I see the name calling moving in so I've had enough, with you at least.

 

[jelenko]

I'm not sure what the argument is about. There are a bunch of fairly well respected vendors selling pre fit shouldered barrels. Here's a google search for just that https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-1-d&q=prefit+shouldered+barrels

Is the argument that what these vendors are supplying is not good?

 

[Tokay444]

Most folks (smiths) that I know of pretty much know the Remington barrel/tenon specs as well as a lot of others when it comes to chambering.
You know, the little note on the wall, above the lathe that they refer to when cutting the chamber on a Remington barrel being that they're so popular?
Knowing the "action specs" so they can set the head space position of the "shoulder" without having the action in hand is where the problems comes in.
Doesn't seem like folks are catching that point, including you eah?
And I see the name calling moving in so I've had enough, with you at least.

Literally NO ONE has argued that you don’t need dimensions. No one. If you think that’s what people are arguing, you’re not only wrong, you’re lost. What I’m saying is, you need dimensions for a nutted barrel just the same.
When you buy certain actions that are tolerance controlled better than some piece of shit Savage, or factory 700 on the bolt face to action face dimension, any smith SHOULD be able to make a shouldered prefit. WITHOUT THE ACTION. If your smith can’t, stop using that smith.
Brand ABC “We hold our bolt face to +/-.0005” Here’s what the dimension is.” Shouldered prefits are a no brainer. Brand XYZ. “We hold our bolt face to action face to +/-.0002” Here’s what the dimension is.” Shouldered prefits are a no brainer.
Brand Savage “yeah, you’re gonna need a barrel nut and some gauges.”

 

[NorCalMikie]

Is the argument that what these vendors are supplying is not good?

NO!! It's a matter of who cuts them and who installs them.
Looking more to me like the .001"/.002"/.003" measurements I've thought as critical all these years, isn't??.
Custom actions closer in specs than a POS Remington 700??

For instance, my BAT DS is an oddball. It shoots fine and nothing wrong with it. It just isn’t the same as my neighbors. We can’t switch barrels.

WHAT?? So it isn't a one size fits all after all, send me a shouldered barrel, I'll spin it on and go shooting?

 

[Tokay444]

Wow.

 

[jimmymac]

WHAT?? So it isn't a one size fits all after all, send me a shouldered barrel, I'll spin it on and go shooting?

What’s your deal dude? I bowed out of this thread a couple days ago when you guys started beating me over the head when I said my BAT DS is an oddball, and here you are still quoting me. I’ll stand by what I originally said. I use two well known smiths who will confirm this as well.

 

[jimmymac]

Further.., if you want to continue this let’s take it to a PM. I would be happy to provide you my cell number so I can tell you in person to stop being an asshole.

 

[tobnpr]

"Custom" action is getting thrown around a lot, without a definition.
Seems some consider them "anything other than" a M700.
Kinda like "I have a blueprinted action". WTF, exactly- does that mean?

It's simple.
Either the "manufacturer" can guarantee that boltface to receiver ring, bolt nose to receiver ring dimensions provided will be +/- .001 or less- or I need the action in my hands before I touch the barrel.

 

[NorCalMikie]

Further.., if you want to continue this let’s take it to a PM. I would be happy to provide you my cell number so I can tell you in person to stop being an asshole.

PM sent.

 

[jimmymac]

PM answered. Thanks for clarifying your position. I misinterpreted your intent.