It seems like more and more ads for firearms bear the caveat "will not ship to Ca" and I am not able to get anybody to return my emails as to why. Is it to punish us poor souls who live here possibly not by choice but by circumstance, or is it the thought that it is a painful experience. I have had several non-ffl people refuse when the dumb law we have does not apply to them at all. I would appreciate an open discussion on this topic to either enlighten my train of thought or to convince others to not penalize me for living here as my ancestors have done for the last 170 years. Tom
Why "no Shipping to CA"
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Tom: I sold a bolt-action rifle to a guy from California (Northern) on this site a little over a year ago. The only addition to selling to someone in another state was a form to the States Attorney general's office, that was forwarded to me by the receiving FFL in California. I let my local (Pa.) FFL handle the transaction, and for me it was no big deal.
The only problem I incured was my local FFL would deal with receiving or shipping to CA, and since I'm not one was told that I could not ship it myself due to CA law, which I have no understanding of.
The same FFL stated to me that due to our state law they can not receive from individuals from CA and 10 or so other states as they have been deemed evil in the eyes of the state.
What's up with the AMMO, was there a law passed about shipping ammo into the state also?
The same FFL stated to me that due to our state law they can not receive from individuals from CA and 10 or so other states as they have been deemed evil in the eyes of the state.
What's up with the AMMO, was there a law passed about shipping ammo into the state also?
This is the summary from the parent site.
http://accurateshooter.wordpress.com/2008/06/18/new-california-law-restricts-ffl-to-ffl-gun-shipments-starting-july-1st/
And, yes, it is insane. So, some FFL holders in other states choose (understandably) not to participate. It does not affect individuals shipping to an FFL holder.
Here is how California describes it.
http://www.ag.ca.gov/firearms/cflcoverview.php
http://accurateshooter.wordpress.com/2008/06/18/new-california-law-restricts-ffl-to-ffl-gun-shipments-starting-july-1st/
And, yes, it is insane. So, some FFL holders in other states choose (understandably) not to participate. It does not affect individuals shipping to an FFL holder.
Here is how California describes it.
http://www.ag.ca.gov/firearms/cflcoverview.php
NorCalMikie
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California needs an enema! 
Rather than deal with all the "BS" concerning shipping to California, the FFL dealers choose not to ship. (problem solved)
Rather than deal with all the "BS" concerning shipping to California, the FFL dealers choose not to ship. (problem solved)
Plus 1 - Ca sucks 
Not our shooting brothers (and sisters) just the state you chose to live in. Sorry, but I won't ship to Ca either
Not our shooting brothers (and sisters) just the state you chose to live in. Sorry, but I won't ship to Ca eitherNorCalMikie said:California needs an enema!
Rather than deal with all the "BS" concerning shipping to California, the FFL dealers choose not to ship. (problem solved)
Alf.1 said:
Not quite all. California has a lot of rural areas and San Diego and Orange counties are conservative. It is just that our legislature is dominated by Los Angeles and San Francisco.
Still, nobody is answering the question as to what is to be gained by not shipping to California ffl's. Does anybody think that by not shipping our legislators will somehow reverse this law? I don;t think so. Since any individual can ship here to an ffl without any paperwork other than a signed ffl from the dealer he is shipping to, I cannot see why any individual would hesitate to sell to a Ca resident. Also, since it only takes a few minutes on-line to comply with our stupid law, what is gained by dealers who refuse to sell to us? Tom
To many guns you can't sell in Mexifornia Thompson Center etc I'm not going to even try to keep track of it.
Taildrag15X said:
Your FFL is FOS. (and that doesn't mean full of sugar). You, as a private individual, can most certainly ship a firearm to an FFL in California, You do NOT, nor should NOT, use an FFL on your end, unless you just feel like paying extra money -- especially to a dishonest bonehead like you're using.
I have bought several items in just the last couple of years from out of state, from individuals who ship directly to my FFL. He emails them his FFL info, they email back. In the meantime, I've sent funds, and it's all good.
Am I trying to legitimize what's happening to gun rights, taxes, traffic, illegal immigration, entitlement mentality, thug behavior, and all of the other BS that plagues California? No way. It's a lost cause out here. Boxer, Feinstein, and Pelosi are supposed to represent me? What a sick joke. I'd have all three of those evil harridans working in a prison laundry where they belong, along with 90% of Washington, i.e. 100% of Democrats and most of the Republicans.
To the original poster, if you find an item that includes the subject of your original post, screw 'em. You don't want to do business with ignorant people. This is a thinking man's game.
Thanks for the back up guys..........
as the dishonest bonehead he refers has been in a brick and mortar business 45 yrs. is also a Gunsmith and I'm sure knows the law.
as the dishonest bonehead he refers has been in a brick and mortar business 45 yrs. is also a Gunsmith and I'm sure knows the law.
Fellow members,
It seems that many firearms sellers weather a private party or a FFL holder, have problems selling firearms to California residents. It is unfortunate that false information has been spread online regarding this subject. Many online auctions contain the phrase “No sales to California” or “Free shipping to the lower 47”. The same is true of many forum sellers.
When selling a LONG GUN to a California resident it is not a big deal as some have been led to believe. According to federal law, if a private party in another state wishes to sell to an individual in California he does not need to have a FFL holder on his end have anything to do with the transaction. Simply get a copy of the buyer's FFL, and any personal information you desire; then ship the gun. It is no different than shipping to most other states. Unfortunately some California FFL holders have been misled to believe that a gun must be shipped from an FFL, this is just not true. If an FFL dealer ships the item to an FFL in California he must first notify the California Department of Justice to get a "Firearms Shipment Approval Number" that he includes in his paperwork. This procedure is free and takes only minutes online and is available 24/7. For information see this FAQ: http://www.ag.ca.gov/firearms/cflcfaqs.php. The California DOJ can be reached online, http://www.ag.ca.gov/firearms/, or by phone for further clarification. If you are in the business of selling guns, charge for this service rather than exclude someone from purchasing the item.
When it comes to shipping here are a few suggestions. You can not pack the item good enough. Shippers are rough on packages. Double boxes, proper tape and labels are a must. UPS Stores or UPS drivers will not take firearms as a rule however, USP Customer Service Centers will. The safest and fastest way from my experience is to ship by the USPS Express Mail. Your item is under lock and key and is signed for every time it changes hands. This service is a bit more costly but delivery is fast, can be insured and tracked. I do not have experience with FedEx but have read good reviews of their service shipping firearms.
It in not my intent to discuss the sales of hand guns, or sales between two California residents, nor do I wish to discuss the current political atmosphere in this state. Hopefully one seller will see the light and one potential buyer will not be excluded from a purchase.
It seems that many firearms sellers weather a private party or a FFL holder, have problems selling firearms to California residents. It is unfortunate that false information has been spread online regarding this subject. Many online auctions contain the phrase “No sales to California” or “Free shipping to the lower 47”. The same is true of many forum sellers.
When selling a LONG GUN to a California resident it is not a big deal as some have been led to believe. According to federal law, if a private party in another state wishes to sell to an individual in California he does not need to have a FFL holder on his end have anything to do with the transaction. Simply get a copy of the buyer's FFL, and any personal information you desire; then ship the gun. It is no different than shipping to most other states. Unfortunately some California FFL holders have been misled to believe that a gun must be shipped from an FFL, this is just not true. If an FFL dealer ships the item to an FFL in California he must first notify the California Department of Justice to get a "Firearms Shipment Approval Number" that he includes in his paperwork. This procedure is free and takes only minutes online and is available 24/7. For information see this FAQ: http://www.ag.ca.gov/firearms/cflcfaqs.php. The California DOJ can be reached online, http://www.ag.ca.gov/firearms/, or by phone for further clarification. If you are in the business of selling guns, charge for this service rather than exclude someone from purchasing the item.
When it comes to shipping here are a few suggestions. You can not pack the item good enough. Shippers are rough on packages. Double boxes, proper tape and labels are a must. UPS Stores or UPS drivers will not take firearms as a rule however, USP Customer Service Centers will. The safest and fastest way from my experience is to ship by the USPS Express Mail. Your item is under lock and key and is signed for every time it changes hands. This service is a bit more costly but delivery is fast, can be insured and tracked. I do not have experience with FedEx but have read good reviews of their service shipping firearms.
It in not my intent to discuss the sales of hand guns, or sales between two California residents, nor do I wish to discuss the current political atmosphere in this state. Hopefully one seller will see the light and one potential buyer will not be excluded from a purchase.
Like Randy says, it is no big deal for an individual to ship to Ca and only a minor hassle for an ffl to ship here. My thought when I started this thread was to get some information out to the public that it is indeed possible to ship a rifle here and not have to jump through hoops while doing so. Thanks to the many who contributed links, etc and just possibly a few less "will not ship to Ca" posts will appear. Take care and good shooting to all. Tom
Then hope you haven't shipped a gun or clip that is illegal in California.
Do it or don't do it...that is your decision!
It seems like the point of this topic is to point out that there is a lot of misinformation floating around the web about CA gun laws and that it really isn't that much different than most other states. It may require a bit of research, but certainly doesn't require a "legal team" to figure it out. The real nuances to the law concern handguns on the Safe Handgun Roster, so-called "Assault Weapons" and magazines over 10 rounds. Unless you're dealing with one of those...it is pretty simple.
My personal experience with this since getting stationed in CA has been ok. I did convince one guy on gunbroker he could legally send me a '98 Krag after I sent him my 03 FFL. You don't even have to mess with the CFLC for that.
Most CA buyers just want the opportunity to purchase these products and avoid getting painted with such a broad brush. We appreciate those who are willing to at least take an honest look at the actual laws.
It seems like the point of this topic is to point out that there is a lot of misinformation floating around the web about CA gun laws and that it really isn't that much different than most other states. It may require a bit of research, but certainly doesn't require a "legal team" to figure it out. The real nuances to the law concern handguns on the Safe Handgun Roster, so-called "Assault Weapons" and magazines over 10 rounds. Unless you're dealing with one of those...it is pretty simple.
My personal experience with this since getting stationed in CA has been ok. I did convince one guy on gunbroker he could legally send me a '98 Krag after I sent him my 03 FFL. You don't even have to mess with the CFLC for that.
Most CA buyers just want the opportunity to purchase these products and avoid getting painted with such a broad brush. We appreciate those who are willing to at least take an honest look at the actual laws.
You-Two said:
Well said.
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