Why isn’t Varget ideal for 6BRA?

[quest450]

quite few top shelf 600/1K benchrest shooters are using Varget so obviously it works for them.
I always start my BRA load development with H4895 and haven't had to try different powder yet, all my barrels are chambered with my reamer by the same gunsmith, I shoot the same bullet with the same primer and usually can find a load within 100 rounds, I might tweak it a bit after the new barrel settles

 

[a-dog]

N140 = Moody but exciting girlfriend. A little faster than Varget. When it's on, it's on and it feels good!
Varget = Older woman. Handles temp changes pretty well, knows how to deal with shit. Solves a lot of problems.
N150 = A little slower and bulkier than Varget, but will never let you down. Doesn't care about temperatures unless it's extreme.


The data no one asked for:

AR-Comp - More people should talk about AR-Comp. AR-Comp is the CIA agent girlfriend that can fight anyone, go fast as hell, love you day or night, and will do anything for you. Loves you long time in temps from 25 to 125

I love this. I think TS15.5 should be right there with AR Comp.

 

[Evan]

Hell ‘ IMR 4064 will hammer in a BRA at over 3000 fps.
Jim

I have yet to find a barrel that IMR 4064 didn’t perform great in. Big kernels and slight temperature/conditions sensitivity are the only “downsides” but it’s closer to a temp stable powder than it is to the unstable stuff like ball powders. It’s a shame it’s so expensive because that basically obsoleted it for me.

 

[urbanrifleman]

Just do a search on the forum for "red-headed stepchild". My thread that I started years ago talking about AR comp. Where I was told it doesn't work. That's why I don't talk about it anymore. Those who know will know. Like Fight Club

 

[JFrank]

I have yet to find a barrel that IMR 4064 didn’t perform great in. Big kernels and slight temperature/conditions sensitivity are the only “downsides” but it’s closer to a temp stable powder than it is to the unstable stuff like ball powders. It’s a shame it’s so expensive because that basically obsoleted it for me.

I ran a single shot ladder of it last year. In case anyone is curious. This is what it looked like at 500 yards.
Added: to knot up a 108 Berger at 3000 fps is impressive to say the least .

 

[SteveOak]

I didn’t know that Varget wasn’t good for a 6 BRA. I’ll have to tell my rifle, because it shoots slightly better with Varget than it does H-4895.

I am having a switch barrel rifle built. The 'little' barrel will be 6 BR AI. I am planning on Berger 105's and Varget.

For those of you that are not having the success they would like with Varget, what primers are you using. I use CCI-450's in my present 6 BR.

 

[LVLAaron]

Just do a search on the forum for "red-headed stepchild". My thread that I started years ago talking about AR comp. Where I was told it doesn't work. That's why I don't talk about it anymore. Those who know will know. Like Fight Club

I've said this before... I kinda choose my projects based on if they can use AR Comp.

 

[64Rambler]

Just do a search on the forum for "red-headed stepchild". My thread that I started years ago talking about AR comp. Where I was told it doesn't work. That's why I don't talk about it anymore. Those who know will know. Like Fight Club

Brad, a search with and without a hyphen did not turn up said thread. Can I get an assist?

 

[ebb]

There was a time BC (Before Creedmoor) when I had never heard of Accurate Shooter. Back then a 308 win was the most inherently accurate rifle on the planet. And all cutting-edge rifle loads for 308 WIN came from Sniper's Hide, and ALL were using Varget. You were just not one of the cool guys if you used anything else. They did not issue a talisman, but all the cool guys knew who they were, and were not afraid to let you know. Some of them even knew Frank personally.

 

[JEFFPPC]

I am having a switch barrel rifle built. The 'little' barrel will be 6 BR AI. I am planning on Berger 105's and Varget.

For those of you that are not having the success they would like with Varget, what primers are you using. I use CCI-450's in my present 6 BR.

I have used Varget for many years on various cartridges based on the 6BR. Varget in every one of them. Primer of choice once I looked at ES along with the actual target, Fed 205M.

 

[urbanrifleman]

Brad, a search with and without a hyphen did not turn up said thread. Can I get an assist?

Thread 'Why is AR Comp the Red Headed Step Child?'

Sep 4, 2019

With a burn rate right near IMR 8208 and H4895 and supposedly the LEAST temperature sensitive powder on the market, no one on this board will touch the stuff.

I just keep wondering why.

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[SteveOak]

'cause it says "AR" LOL

 

[Clancy]

Sure a lot of praise for powders that aren’t Varget in this thread

 

[6BRA]

AR comp maybe one of the most temp stable powders ever made.

 

[ebb]

Never crossed my mind to use it in anything that wasn't an AR, I guess I just took them at their word. Maybe a better name, would have begged me to look closer. How about "Tiny Group" powder

 

[Tpb10505]

N140 is definitely NOT interchangeable with Varget. N150 is much closer. N140 is faster.

Curious, why didn’t Tanner set that record with Varget? Was he perhaps…. misinformed like myself?

I don’t cash checks from ANYBODY but I can tell you that with very few exceptions, Vihtavuori just makes better powder.

So, with Vihtavuori at $300 a jug to the house and Varget at closer to 460, what word would you use to describe Varget?

If I were going to pay Hodgdon prices, it would be for H4895, which has the pedigree to justify its price tag- in the BRA.

I’ve never been able to really get Varget in any quantity since I started shooting a few years ago. I tried some H4895 based on all the recommendations here, but I was getting pressure at velocities that I wasn’t with N150. I use N150 for my Palma loads and have a lot of it, and it’s always been very consistent so it just worked out that way.

 

[Mike Casselton]

I got this text this morning and thought of this thread. Hahaha

6br, 105 hybrid and 30 grains of Varget.

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Did you order the Kauger action polished like that?
If so, what was the lead time?