Alex, you may not remember the 2012 Fla 1000 Yrd Gong Championship there at Manatee. You scored for me the first day and I hit 8 of 8 the first round then couldn't hit my a$$ with both hands the next. Manatee has been a great place to shoot for me over the years. Too bad I live in West Palm Beach. Larry keep it real, Snowman buy Ebb some BrakeClean.
Why Has the Manatee 1000 yard Gong Shoot Never Been "Cleaned"?
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Larry, if you look at 1000 yard BR and look at 100 scores shot. It is tough shooting a 100 score and the 10 ring is 7 inches. That is including the heavies where you can run them fast. Some ranges have hardly ever shot a 100. I believe somebody told me that in Yukon there was none or only one in the history of the range. They don't get a lot of 100 scores at Hawks Ridge either. If you look at the number of targets shot to have a 100 score shot, it can be a big amount, especially on certain ranges. Then it seems there are a certain few in the game that shoot way more then others. Matt
I don't think it that they have better shooters as it they have a better range to do it .
Larry
Twitchy, (Nick) PM me with contact information. Looking for all the help I can get. I do not think you are on my regular shooters list, but these AS nicknames do not always give us a clue. F-Class done
It has not started. Canadian and US Nationals and the Worlds are fast approaching.As long as I out shoot the competition who cares about the score or conditions .
I never have Been a fair weather shooter .
I never had a bad day of shooting. Like some I know . lol Larry
I agree that without knowing where your bullet went each shot you cant really learn to read the wind. We are having Pig Matches at 600 yds at PIne Valley. We use AR500 pigs with 3 3/4 inch holes in them and clay pigeons behind the hole. The pig is painted white so you can see your misses. It was so hard that we changed the rules to allow you one sighter on a plate before each 5 shot string. Even with the sighter and seeing your hits on the pig its very difficult. Our mirage is probably close to that of Florida. We are 75 miles north of Houston. The clay pigeon looks like its dancing all over the pig and at times the orange is even hard to see.
Are there any flags at the gong shoot at Manatee? Permanate range flags or do shooters put out there own ? Or none at all?
Are there any flags at the gong shoot at Manatee? Permanate range flags or do shooters put out there own ? Or none at all?
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Alex I was competing at the national events when you were in diapers .
Theirs more to life then any national or world record
I was the crew chief on a race team that not only won the championship but Rookie in Touring series It has only been done 3 times in the history of car raceing .
Comeing home from a world national archery event I made up my mind their is more to life then haveing to win .
Do I go hunting to kill No Do I shoot haveing to win No. The only competition I have in me is to be a better person then I was the day before . Life is too short
The reason I don't like benchrest is I don't want someone telling me what I have to use and how and when I have to do it . Larry
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Good luck Manatee.....
CaptainMal
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Mikecockcroft...
There are a couple high-up wind socks.
We had more and way up until we found some with bullet holes in them. Took them down. General range shooters were using them as targets and sending bullets miles down into a public park.
Some shooters do bring their own range flags. We welcome that and are toying with other options also. The 1000 will stay where it is. We may move the 600 shooting to a side benchrest range dedicated just to that distance. Then we can better deal with wind flags.
There are a couple high-up wind socks.
We had more and way up until we found some with bullet holes in them. Took them down. General range shooters were using them as targets and sending bullets miles down into a public park.
Some shooters do bring their own range flags. We welcome that and are toying with other options also. The 1000 will stay where it is. We may move the 600 shooting to a side benchrest range dedicated just to that distance. Then we can better deal with wind flags.
Larry I am not sure what you mean by your last statement. The rules in long range BR are pretty lenient. Matt
CaptainMal
We let shooters put out wind flags. Some have the larger flags that can be seen a long way out with the naked eye. Others have the smaller vaned flags. I was worried about the amount of time it would take to put them out but they get it done pretty quick. Darrel opens the range on fridays before matches for practice and let's them put flags out then and leave them till Saturday's match. The others get to range early Saturday and get their flags set then. My range has no "honey hole" benches. #1 no better then #18 so bench draw not a big deal.
We let shooters put out wind flags. Some have the larger flags that can be seen a long way out with the naked eye. Others have the smaller vaned flags. I was worried about the amount of time it would take to put them out but they get it done pretty quick. Darrel opens the range on fridays before matches for practice and let's them put flags out then and leave them till Saturday's match. The others get to range early Saturday and get their flags set then. My range has no "honey hole" benches. #1 no better then #18 so bench draw not a big deal.
They were when I shot at Williamsport . I got DQ in a non registered shoot at our club over a rest . Did it matter to me No
Did it make me want to join IBS You can deside .
Do I want to go have fun shooting when I have to be told when and and what to shoot and I can't see my target till after the shoot .
If that is what IBS is all about the sure don't need me . Nobody has done more for Manatee then I have .
We stated with 5 and after several years we had 20 plus shooter for every shoot . A few didn't like not winning and decided-it was the gun rather shooter . They made rules that outlawed the guns that most had worked and saved to buy . Now we got 6 shooters .
Will it come back I doubt it .
Steve has been working hard to make it better . Be has my support but now I have changed my interest . And my friend have theirs. I like the idea of the range change along with shooting both paper and gongs the same day . Larry
Larry you will always have the money thing, doesn't matter if it's racing or shooting. Some believe it is money when most times it is the driver. Rules are put in place to try and keep the field level. Most times the rules dont change much from year to year. The problem comes when guys don't know the rules and build something that doesn't comply. Usually it is weight. Or they try and push the rules in the gray area. The rules are the same for everybody. Matt
Whatever shooting discipline you choose, they are all challenging and humbling. To say one is harder than the other is nonsense, no matter if it's a 100 yard point blank match, a 600/1000 yard paper match or a local ground hog match. They are all difficult in there own way.
There is a 1000 Yard Benchrest steel match in Ridgway PA that is a lot of fun, last match they had a 180 or so registered guns, at least that's what i thought i heard them say. No one has ever cleaned all 40 targets, maybe someday someone will but it will be milestone if/when it happens. It's not easy whether is in Northern PA or Florida.
You'll never make everyone happy at a match, be it rules, format, leniency, or whatever anyone can come up with to complain about. Go with what you think is right and try to make the majority happy, it can be successful. The guys at Ridgway have made it happen, they have somewhere close to 150 shooters at every match. Go shoot, have fun and make the best of it, after all, you went to have fun.
If someone cleans the steel it will be a milestone, it will probably be a first time shooter with "Substandard" equipment.
I wish Manatee well and hope to see the 1000 Yard steel become as successful there as it has here, it's fun to shoot reactive targets, get instant feedback and have the ability to adjust for each shot.
There is a 1000 Yard Benchrest steel match in Ridgway PA that is a lot of fun, last match they had a 180 or so registered guns, at least that's what i thought i heard them say. No one has ever cleaned all 40 targets, maybe someday someone will but it will be milestone if/when it happens. It's not easy whether is in Northern PA or Florida.
You'll never make everyone happy at a match, be it rules, format, leniency, or whatever anyone can come up with to complain about. Go with what you think is right and try to make the majority happy, it can be successful. The guys at Ridgway have made it happen, they have somewhere close to 150 shooters at every match. Go shoot, have fun and make the best of it, after all, you went to have fun.
If someone cleans the steel it will be a milestone, it will probably be a first time shooter with "Substandard" equipment.
I wish Manatee well and hope to see the 1000 Yard steel become as successful there as it has here, it's fun to shoot reactive targets, get instant feedback and have the ability to adjust for each shot.
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Relevant comments all.
To follow IBS rules and have far more than say 10 shooters, you need a dedicated range. Manatee is a large public operation with multiple range areas. The various ranges are normally all open during the Saturday morning benchrest shoots. In the 1,000 yard area only about a dozen benches are used for any match. It has to be run with masses of public shooters blasting away on the other benches. The only thing closed is the actual distance backstop the shoot is using. Even then some general shooters manage to test a few shots where they should not without getting caught.
That means the time to weigh rifles, set up relays and operate an IBS shoot has to be coordinated with the operation of the main range. Even when Bostrom operated those Florida State Gong Championships that were so sell-attended, it took lots of time and space away from the main range operation. For some officers at that time, it did not sit well.
The back benchrest range is 600 yards and has 14 benches. Wonderful place and should be available for benchrest shooting alone. The last few years that has been taken away by police, para-military groups, multi-gun and other shooters that can PAY big money to rent the range. Problems have abounded and the new management has, hopefully, shut that down or limited it. Our opportunity to move all the 600 yard shooting back there is open now for the first time. We could easily do 600 shooting with full and sanctioned shoots and have the entire day/weekend to do it right.
Next issue would be actually having range officers and IBS members to run shoots. Most of our shooters are not IBS members. That would change near immediately if we can use that dedicated benchrest range. If we do set up shoots there some of us that are Range Safety Officers will be "rewarded" with the reality that we have to work it rather than shoot. The other option is to probably pay the hourly rate for a club range officer, which starts at $15 an hour. We have yet finalized the actual range rental fee, if any. It is a non-profit club with the history of making a profit and the historical culture to do that.
As for the 1,000 yard area, it will probably always have to be used in conjunction with general range operation. That does put a crimp into how many shooters can be handled and how the actual shoot is operated. For now, it will probably remain as it is. That's not all bad as it is an opportunity to shoot that distance at least four days each week.
There are multiple issues to deal with but the opportunity is there. Right now, with full cooperation of range management, I cannot even get the shoot schedule added to the internet calendar. The work to get things moving is not easy when you are just part of a large operation. For now we all have the opportunity to "clean" Manatee at 1,000. Hope to see it done and done soon.
To follow IBS rules and have far more than say 10 shooters, you need a dedicated range. Manatee is a large public operation with multiple range areas. The various ranges are normally all open during the Saturday morning benchrest shoots. In the 1,000 yard area only about a dozen benches are used for any match. It has to be run with masses of public shooters blasting away on the other benches. The only thing closed is the actual distance backstop the shoot is using. Even then some general shooters manage to test a few shots where they should not without getting caught.
That means the time to weigh rifles, set up relays and operate an IBS shoot has to be coordinated with the operation of the main range. Even when Bostrom operated those Florida State Gong Championships that were so sell-attended, it took lots of time and space away from the main range operation. For some officers at that time, it did not sit well.
The back benchrest range is 600 yards and has 14 benches. Wonderful place and should be available for benchrest shooting alone. The last few years that has been taken away by police, para-military groups, multi-gun and other shooters that can PAY big money to rent the range. Problems have abounded and the new management has, hopefully, shut that down or limited it. Our opportunity to move all the 600 yard shooting back there is open now for the first time. We could easily do 600 shooting with full and sanctioned shoots and have the entire day/weekend to do it right.
Next issue would be actually having range officers and IBS members to run shoots. Most of our shooters are not IBS members. That would change near immediately if we can use that dedicated benchrest range. If we do set up shoots there some of us that are Range Safety Officers will be "rewarded" with the reality that we have to work it rather than shoot. The other option is to probably pay the hourly rate for a club range officer, which starts at $15 an hour. We have yet finalized the actual range rental fee, if any. It is a non-profit club with the history of making a profit and the historical culture to do that.
As for the 1,000 yard area, it will probably always have to be used in conjunction with general range operation. That does put a crimp into how many shooters can be handled and how the actual shoot is operated. For now, it will probably remain as it is. That's not all bad as it is an opportunity to shoot that distance at least four days each week.
There are multiple issues to deal with but the opportunity is there. Right now, with full cooperation of range management, I cannot even get the shoot schedule added to the internet calendar. The work to get things moving is not easy when you are just part of a large operation. For now we all have the opportunity to "clean" Manatee at 1,000. Hope to see it done and done soon.
We run our shoots with a rangemaster. Usually two and sometimes three of them to tale turns.They don't do pit duty and rotate during the day, giving them time to eat, clean guns and shoot. Now the IBS uses 3 shooters wearing orange vests that walk the line and see if there are any safety or gun problems. These are volunteers and come from the shooters at the shoot. Matt
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Exactly right! It takes a level of luck on top of the equipment, loading, and shooter. You can't control that. out of 40 Ridgway's Heavy gun record is a 36 and the light gun a 37. two different days two years apart. I don't think there format will ever allow it to be "cleaned"
I read fine Three others were wrong . But they were good . Sound like to me The organization has problems . I set and listened to the spew how great the organsition was what it would do to make the club great.
Then let three other be wrong and it was okay.
The after I read about other thing that IBS has done . Just had a friend that shot a
Match and he was told his stock was wrong and need to be fixed . All after the match .
I assume it was fine when he started but it got bad after he shot good .
Several month before the same people kill our weekly matches we had work years to build it 20 shooters .
I guess I should like it not say nothing and read the rules. Right I think not . Larry
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