While we all set around with our head in the SAND

[ArtinNC]

Here This Will Make your Day

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I want ammo serial number . SB1773989235274533-8216630983654@ 4773976529 Lot# xb77653392758
on the inside of my 22LR Rimfire bullets . Where do these @##-$#-@-@&%$@s come from ?????
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ARIZONA HB 2833


Be it enacted by the Legislature of the State of Arizona:

Section 1. Title 41, chapter 12, article 5, Arizona Revised Statutes, is amended by adding section 41-1772, to read:

START_STATUTE41-1772. Ammunition coding system database; sale of ammunition; tax; fund; civil penalty; violation; classification; definition

A. Beginning january 1, 2009, a manufacturer shall code all handgun and ASSAULT weapon AMMUNITION that is manufactured or sold in this state. This section applies to all calibers.

b. Beginning january 1, 2011, a private citizen or a retail vendor shall dispose of all noncoded AMMUNITION that is owned or held by the citizen or vendor.

c. The department shall establish and maintain an ammunition coding system database containing a manufacturer registry and a vendor registry.

D. A manufacturer shall:

1. Register with the department in a manner prescribed by the department by rule.

2. Maintain records on the business premises for at least seven years concerning all sales, loans and transfers of ammunition to, from or within this state.

3. Encode ammunition provided for retail sale for regulated firearms in a manner that the director establishes so that:

,a) The base of the bullet and the inside of the cartridge casing of each round in a box of ammunition are coded with the same serial number.

,b) Each serial number is engraved in such a manner that it is highly likely to permit identification after ammunition discharge and bullet impact.

,c) The outside of each box of ammunition is labeled with the name of the manufacturer and the same serial number used on the cartridge casings and bases of bullets contained in the box.

4. Pay the tax levied by subsection I of this section.

E. A manufacturer shall not label ammunition contained in one ammunition box with the same serial number as the ammunition contained in another ammunition box that is produced by the same manufacturer.

F. A vendor shall:

1. Register with the department in a manner prescribed by the department by rule.

2. Record the following information in a format prescribed by the department:

,a) The date of the transaction.

,b) The name of the purchaser.

,c) The purchaser's driver license number or other government issued identification card number.

,d) The date of birth of the purchaser.

,e) the unique identifier of all handgun ammunition or bullets transferred.

,f) All other information prescribed by the department.

3. Maintain records on the business premises for at least three years after the date of the recorded purchase.

G. The department shall establish the ammunition coding system database within the framework of any existing firearms databases.

H. Access to information in the ammunition coding system database is reserved for law enforcement personnel. The department shall only release information in connection with a criminal investigation.

I. A tax of one-half cent is levied on each bullet or round of ammunition that is sold in this state. The department of revenue shall collect the tax and deposit the tax, pursuant to sections 35-146 and 35-147, in the coded ammunition fund established by subsection J of this section.

J. The coded ammunition fund is established consisting of monies deposited pursuant to subsection I of this section. The department shall administer the fund. Subject to legislative appropriation, monies in the fund shall be used for the purpose of establishing and maintaining the ammunition coding system database prescribed by this section.

K. a manufacturer that fails to comply with this section is subject to a civil penalty of not more than one THOUSAND dollars for the first violation, not more than five thousand dollars for a second violation and not more than ten thousand dollars for any subsequent violation.

L. a vendor who knowingly fails to comply with this section or who knowingly falsifies the records REQUIRED to be kept by this section is guilty of a class 3 misdemeanor.

M. a person who knowingly destroys, obliterates or otherwise renders unreadable the coding REQUIRED by this section is guilty of a class 3 misdemeanor.

N. for the purposes of this section, "code or coded" means a unique identifier that has been APPLIED by etching onto the base of a bullet or ammunition projectile. END_STATUTE

Sec. 2. Requirements for enactment; two-thirds vote

Pursuant to article IX, section 22, Constitution of Arizona, this act is effective only on the affirmative vote of at least two-thirds of the members of each house of the legislature and is effective immediately on the signature of the governor or, if the governor vetoes this act, on the subsequent affirmative vote of at least three-fourths of the members of each house of the legislature.


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I’ve sent the Arizona HB 2833 info on to NRA-ILA, which I’m an active member, to see what they know. Surely NRA-ILA is all over this proposal. This BS is potentially a small sample of what’s to come if ObombYa, HilLiar, and Slick Willy, get back into OUR Whitehouse!,and of course, Slick Willy’s U.N. appointment will eventually position him to be the residing Head nymph there)

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Thanks, and God’ best..

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[CatShooter]

Apparently this puppy is showing up in a few states at the same time.

It is part of the "If you can't ban them, paperwork them to death" approach.

Unfortunately, I think with the current political atmosphere, we are going to start seeing a lot of this stuff, and some of it is going to pass.



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[dreever]

Buy now and hoard now, because there won't be a "Later".

Danny

 

[harvey13118]

It's how, many of the people that don't have a clue believe, crimes will be solved. But you guys know that already.

Next your knives will have serial # and leave a trace ID on anything it touches.,Just what I'd want on a back strap) Even better if you go by a scanner that trace ID has went to your lungs and you get busted because you forgot and left the liver and heart in the field and some tree hugger made a complaint.

So let me see if I got this:

A gun is stolen in NC. Theif not found.

The gang boys buy a bunch of guns from a boat in the pacific. Did not purchase thru a FFL dealer who would do the correct paperwork. No trail.

A bunch of ammo is stolen in ND. Theif not found.

The gang boys buy a bunch of ammo in the Gulf of Florida. No official paperwork.

A drive by shooting in DC with a unregistered gun and ammo.

The crime is solved because the law abiding citizen have every bit of their stuff traceable. Crime solved.

DID I MISS SOMETHING?

 

[ArtinNC]

Buy now and hoard now, because there won't be a "Later".
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NO No this bill says you can't keep any ammo that is not marked. so it has to be destroyed .

We need to start to correct this problem by VOTING and not one of the big three, Those three will get you the same thing we have now. NO CHANGE.

 

[Gman]

Buy now and hoard now, because there won't be a "Later".
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NO No this bill says you can't keep any ammo that is not marked. so it has to be destroyed .

We need to start to correct this problem by VOTING and not one of the big three, Those three will get you the same thing we have now. NO CHANGE.


You hit the nail on the head. The only problem is that voter fraud seems to be rampant.,and nothing seems to get done about it) I wish Ron Paul would have gotten a fair shake, but the "controlled media", made it perfectly clear, that he is unelectable.,by totally ignoring Dr. Paul) The sheeple are being herded, and guided into their chutes just as the "powers that be" planned. Believe what you want fellow shooters, but the TOTAL disarmament WILL happen in this nation, and it is right around the corner. That day will come, where you will be faced with one of the biggest decisions to make. I pity this country.

 

[Rustystud]

Art:

Our "wonderful",North Carolina) Lisa Price has this on her drawing board already. This has been around for about 10 years, and comes to the surface periodically. I has recently come up in California and Canada. I has been tried in MD, IL, and WI legislature. There have been severaal cities who have tried to impose this technology.
Rustystud

 

[jb77]

This is also saying that unless you can code the ammo you make then you will not be able to reload for any handgun cartridge or any round that can fired in the mythical assault rifle.

How are the ammomakers going to get a serial number on each individual pellet in a round for the tactical shotgun?

Unbelievable.

 

[GerryM]

Back door legislation' Here it is again''
They have to find some way to control us.
If we can't get their guns then we will get their ammo.
That way they can't revolt. But yes we can"'
Vote those guys right out of office'' Then make it clear why.
I don't have to go into it in detail every one knows"
IT"S PEOPLE CONTROL.
They the select few need all the power they can get'
They already control the value of our money, health care,
Work. oppoortunity to get wealth. etc etc,
IT"S TIME TO WAKE UP''' Revolt at the poles'''
No obama no hillery. No screw balls in congress.
It's up to all of us. Just remember vote for the man not the party, there are some rotten apples in both"'

 

[ArtinNC]

I just got this from another FORUM

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Thanks for putting this one up. I was going to post a LINK too. I posted the proposed IL one somewhere on this board - another thread.

This ammunition deal is nothing "NEW". I know that you, Art and some others already know this fact. It has been going on for some time in various states as we have mentioned and posted.

Note to others here. In some cases it will make "reloading or hand loading" ILLEGAL or severely LIMITED from what I have read. The NRA, GOA and other websites state this along with the FINE PRINT and DETAILS of various proposed and passed laws if the anti gunners get their WISH.

Garbage laws have been passed already. YOU know what we should do with garbage? THROW the stinky garbage OUT. VOTE these dang politicos OUT of office. SAY, "NO!", to those laws and REPEAL them. There are over 20,000 Unconstitutional GUN LAWS already on the books. DUMP them in the Potomac and/or your state's river or lake.

After that or BETTER YET... make THOSE that WANT these LAWS go withOUT their guns, withOUT their LE protection, withOUT their private bodyguards, withOUT the Secret Service, withOUT those Blackwater "types", withOUT JACK SQUAT and let them not have ANY protection so they KNOW what it FEELS LIKE to the rest of the POPULATION including the FOOLS that VOTED for them and the ones who knew better and voted for a pro gun law maker/politico but still got screwed in the RKBA ISSUE.

I would LOVE to see those anti gunners in politics and in Hollywierd and in ANY other group,BRADY BUNCH) from a local level to D.C. go withOUT their SPECIAL RIGHTS and PAID PROTECTION. Level playing field so they know what it FEELS LIKE and what it is like for people who can't carry open or concealed due to some jack@@@ law.

They will make it so UNREASONABLE to buy AMMO and RELOADING supplies,FREAKING LAWS!) along with the rising costs due to INFLATION,The real thing not what you hear with the stupid media on the boob tube!) that sooner or later... most people will only shoot on and off unless their job description SUPPLIES their needs.

I will still shoot but I don't have tons of other EXPENSIVE hobbies and I do NOT ALWAYS consider my self defense practice a hobby. Plus I feel the need to ALWAYS practice and keep up my skills in self defense issues. My groom 'reloads' and has for a VERY long time. I practice with my rimfire and my center fire ammunition. He does too. He used to compete but his work schedule does not allow it now. Works when the competitions go on.

Unfortunately many gun owners have the mentality that it will NEVER happen in their so called FREE - pro gun state or in the USA. When some of us used to discuss this on gun boards YEARS ago and recently we were called conspiracy nuts or tin foil hatters because after all... who would have "THUNK IT?!?" Thought that this garbage would come down along with all of the other anti gun laws, bans, new deals with guns, Nanny State regulations and FOR THE CHILDREN laws. Oh yes, throw in the other new acts and laws.

It is not only about gun control. It is about CONTROL. Period!

So we can write, snail or email, call, call, call and complain. Sometimes tons of CALLS flooding the goobmint places helps along with your emails too.

I sometimes use the letter on the websites but I USUALLY send a written letter of my own PLUS I ALWAYS CALL, CALL, and tell others to write and CALL. They notice the CALLS more at first and get to the email and snail mail later on. I was told this when it comes to FLOODING the goobmint workers in D.C. and on the STATE LEVEL too.

Thanks again for putting this up... it saved me another LINK.

Amendment II

A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed.

Sincerely,

Catherine

http://www.ronpaul2008.com/

http://www.mtssa.org/

ABOUT MSSA:

The Montana Shooting Sports Association is the primary political action organization asserting the rights and prerogatives of gun owners, shooters, and hunters in Montana.

In Montana's state capitol, Helena, MSSA is known as the "junkyard dog of politics" because of its "take no prisoners" approach to political action when asserting citizens' rights.

MSSA is affiliated with the National Rifle Association of America and is associated with the Citizens Committee for the Right to Keep and Bear Arms and with Gun Owners of America, but operates independently. MSSA also supports the work and goals of Jews for the Preservation of Firearms Ownership http://www.jpfo.org/

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[GerryM]

Of all the states"' ARIZONA
This is WHERE ILLEGALS CROSS THE BORDER IN DAYLITE"
EVEN THE INDIANS ARE COMPLAINING ABOUT IT.
HEY THEY ARE NOT JUST MEXICANS EITHER' They are from Many many other countries. honduras argentina, peru. columbia.
just to name a few. To get buy they bring that bad stuff with them. coca '' they know they won't get a job soon so they smuggel that junk in. War on drugs BS Both partys ignore this to a great degree. they feel sory for the honest poor people in mexico that come to work in the fields.
they are wrong . mexicans can come as long as they go back home when they are done working. All they need is that work permit to come here, the government is not doing it's job'
There are so many problems due to bad legislation that it may take 50 years to straighten out if we started NOW'
Just too many LAWS, I agree with your rant on this STUPID law I doubt it would serve any perpose at all'
best of all THe politico,s know it'' they just want a certain amount of people to feel Safer' Here in NEW YORK
We have to put up with NEW YOUR CITY. 8 million people that out vote the rest of us in the state.
at election time all kinds of things happen there They get the drunks and street people to vote for a few bucks, the retarded ones in the streets, even ones that are dead. they steal
their names and address and send some one to vote in their place.
Both partys know about it but they allow it, oh i forgot some
the ones in the nursing homes.

 

[bpost1958]

At some point, a few; precious few, hundred years ago, men had enough. They revolted, tea got dumped, open disobedience to injustices and the law became a way of life for a short time.

Laws are only valid as long as the ruled allow them to be valid in this country as a result. We have the right, nay the obgliation to resist injustice and tyranny. We are currently suffering greatly from the former and approaching the later.

At some point a flash will occur; life will change, we as a nation will be at a cross roads of choice. History does not portend well for us.

 

[blacknwhite]

If anyone is dumb enough to think that obama and Hillary are the only ones that would make these kinds of changes,GerryM). Then your sadly mistaken...remember that we have been under extreme conservative President Bush for years now and these things are more popular than ever. Wake up and look around, many conservatives want TOTAL CONTROL of everything.

 

[ANDY5]

Every day we must write a letter to one of our so called Representatives. We must express our objections. We must make phone calls. If we are going to win, we have to have to attitude that there is no such thing as going to far. It has to be part of our shooting sport to flood the politicians with letters and phone calls with proper English etc. We as shooters have sat in barber shops and on porches too long. So many of us have thought that if we don't belong to the NRA or some pro gun group the government wont find out about us. I donate to the NRA every month so should you $25,$50, $100 it does not matter make it a bill you pay every month. I write or call every day. Even though my Representatives are Barbara Boxer and Diane Feinstein. Our comments count, the anti's are out there working hard while we are sitting on our hands. We have no excuse. Make it part of your shooting, write and phone, signs in your yard anything you can think of. It is way past time to get it in gear. Face it we are all with heads in the sand. I have said it for a long time Gun owners are lazy.

 

[blacknwhite]

I agree 100% with ANDY5's comments. When the opposing team is working hard and our team is doing nothing,relative to the other). who wins??? Pretty simple...Also one of the most important things to note is that good educated civil action is what really makes a difference.

 

[ANDY5]

I THANK YOU TWO FOR AGREEING WITH ME!
IT IS TIME TO BE UNITED,IF YOU OWN A GUN GET IT IN GEAR. TALK IS CHEAP. I STOOD BEHIND THE GUN COUNTER FOR 25 YEARS, I THINK I HAVE HEARD IT ALL. "I DON'T WANT TO GET ON ANY LIST"ETC.,FOR THE LACK OF BETTER TERM) GIRLIE BOYS. YOU ARE ALREADY ON LIST,REMEMBER BUYING A HUNTING OR FISHING LICENSE),TIME TO QUIT NOT BEING NOT COUNTED. GET WITH THE NRA, UNITED WE STAND, DIVIDED WE FALL!!!
HOW ABOUT HEARING ABOUT SOME PLEDGES!!! HOW ABOUT A BUMPER STICKER PROMOTING NRA OR SOME PRO GUN SLOGAN.
SPEAK OUT IN PUBLIC WHERE IT IS NOT PC. ______ PC!
HOW ARE WE GOING TO GET THESE GUYS TO GIVE UP ONE BOX OF BULLETS,CIGARETTES, BEER, SOME OF THOSE DELI SANDWICH'S OR SOMETHING EVERY MONTH/SACRIFICE HAVE TO BE MADE TO BE ABLE TO DONATE, LETS HEAR SOME PLEDGES FROM AMERICANS. TIME FOR ACTION NOT TALK.

 

[indianhead]

Whats missing from the original post is the bills HB2833 sponsor. I'm not trying to criticize the person who posted the thread. I just think that we need as a concerned group to start identifying these people at the state level and let other people know who they are. That way come election day we can make a change !

 

[nonliberal]

b. Beginning january 1, 2011, a private citizen or a retail vendor shall dispose of all noncoded AMMUNITION that is owned or held by the citizen or vendor.


Its one thing to quit seling something in a particular area,like a dry county) but this is about as clear as it can get that they dont have any problems taking away what you already own. I know people,no names mentioned) that have thousands of $$$$ tied up in ammunition of all shapes and sizes. In 2011 I guess he will just throw it all in the sh*tcan because some A$$WIPE says so. For some reason I dont think that will happen.

So what that means is they guy that obeyed every law and has never had any dealings with the law will instantly become a criminal overnight because he didnt want to throw thousands of dollars of HIS property away.

 

[billmo]

I promise you if I am living and breathing I will not throw anything away just because some stupid asshole dreams up a personal "feeling" and is trying to dictate to everybody what they want. Ain't hap nen' captain

 

[billmo]

Whats missing from the original post is the bills HB2833 sponsor. I'm not trying to criticize the person who posted the thread. I just think that we need as a concerned group to start identifying these people at the state level and let other people know who they are. That way come election day we can make a change !

We can make a change if we stick together on the issues, man.