When to anneal

[drop_point]

I quit tumbling a few months ago.
Alcohol, brake cleaner or everyone's new hot spit favorite SprayAway glass cleaner will remove sharpie.

Drink the alcohol while the tumbler cleans the brass

 

[misser]

Drink the alcohol while the tumbler cleans the brass

thinking he meant isopropyl alcohol , not something ya would want to drink. morman ?

 

[Bc'z]

Drink the alcohol while the tumbler cleans the brass

Come on now...
I'm drinkin my alcohol in a tumbler.I'm coming to the conclusion there's real world problems that are more important than shiny brass.
112° today real world problem

 

[Bc'z]

I didn't run it off the rails, but I love a good wreck....
so WTF were we discussin, oh yeah being anal

 

[Webster]

So with all the great and not so great info on the net. When do you anneal in your process. Primal rights vid shows to anneal before any other process. Right after you fire them. Other's do it after they deprime and clean. i don't get turning the brass red hot and burning the carbon on or into the brass. Same for Keith Glasscock.

142 replies to explain when to anneal. To many lonely people at the key board.

 

[Bottom Fodder]

142 replies to explain when to anneal. To many lonely people at the key board.

And basically cut throw the crap one size don’t fit along just do what works for you. And you are right key board cowboys thrive here

 

[AICS308]

I have tested primer pocket cleaning versus uncleaned at 600 and 1000 yards and it’s just noise, it makes no difference. Because of this I stopped cleaning primer pockets 2 years ago. As for the outside of the necks, I will wipe them down really quick with a crazy cloth after every 5 firings (which I keep track of in a book, but I’ve also tested 5X fired uncleaned necks against 5X fired necks cleaned with a crazy cloth, and again it was nothing but noise. I merely do it every 5X firings for a tiny bit of piece of mind. Although, as a side note, I just started this process on my .284 brass at the end of the 2022 season. My Lapua brass for my 6 dasher has 23+ firings on the brass and I have never once cleaned the outside of the necks, and it’s an absolute hammer (see the pics of the brass necks and patina below).
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That is some great looking brass! Looks like it’s been antiqued. The guys I shoot with would have a canniption fit.

 

[LVLAaron]

I'm curious if there's noticeable neck thickness change from the carbon. I just built a 30BR - I'm going to try this "no cleaning" thing on that.

 

[TTE]

If I were doing 50 or less, the second tumble would not happen. Load a minimum of 500 for varmints, tell me how that works for ya.

Through the years I have ended up with a number of tumblers. I can do 500 or more. When it's time for me to use 1 or more of them, they are set up on an outdoor type timer. And when I wake up they are all nice and shiny.

 

[drop_point]

thinking he meant isopropyl alcohol , not something ya would want to drink. morman ?

. Beer to drink!

 

[Webster]

Anneal two cases.
Put one in a tumbler for an hour.

Resize them both. Tell me they are the same.


@misser anything else you want to bicker about?

On Erik Cortina's video about annealing with a Bench Source Annealer, after annealing and testing bullet seating pressure, he saw a 20-40 lb variation among ten cases all annealed the same. Good enough for me.

 

[Redd]

Does it really matter? I annealing first then deprime, size clean sizing lube off with Sprayway glass cleaner like Paul (@boltfluter) said, BTW it does great! Then trim and load!

I deprime first, seems to keep more of the 'post fired' crud out of the annealer.

 

[Redd]

It seems the main point of Primal Right's video was that regardless of your order of operations, oxidation from annealing must be addressed before seating or else it results in uneven seating force from the rough oxidation.

Annealing, then using a nylon brush to smooth the oxidation, then seating, was a vast improvement compared to bare oxidation. This is what Erik Cortina does on his videos.

Tumbling after annealing, smoothed the oxidation inside necks and also added tumbling dust as a lubricant. This proved marginally better seating forces than just a nylon brush but most shooters can't outshoot the difference between the two methods.

What Greg did NOT test, was annealing, then adding lube (Neo, graphite, One Shot) directly to the rough oxidation, and then seating.

He also did not test the effect of annealing, and then just using a sizing mandrel (or expander ball) to smooth out the oxidation (no tumbling, no brush, no lube).

He also did NOT test annealing, wet tumbling, adding NeoLube, then seating.

Summary: Oxidation from annealing must be either brushed or tumbled or otherwise smoothed before seating.

Not if you mandrel size ...... poof oxidation gone!

 

[misser]

Look up galling.

Galling is a form of wear caused by adhesion between sliding surfaces. When a material galls, some of it is pulled with the contacting surface, especially if there is a large amount of force compressing the surfaces together.[1] Galling is caused by a combination of friction and adhesion between the surfaces, followed by slipping and tearing of crystal structure beneath the surface.[2] This will generally leave some material stuck or even friction welded to the adjacent surface, whereas the galled material may appear gouged with balled-up or torn lumps of material stuck to its surface.

galling can also be applied to those that only think they know what galling is
annoying; humiliating.annoying ,vexing, vexatious ,irritating, maddening

 

[LVLAaron]

You've got the irritating part solved.

 

[misser]

You've got the irritating part solved.

oh I recognise it when I see it

 

[Dave M.]

What you need, is your honey to process brass while you cut the grass.

That’s what we do at home Aaron. I cut the grass and the girlfriend anneals brass. We have 4 shooters in F class, so we process a lot of brass.
Dave

 

[Dave M.]

Drink the alcohol while the tumbler cleans the brass

Booooo, drink a whiskey while I admire the seasoned patina I’ve created with my 22 times fired brass.
Dave

 

[drop_point]

Booooo, drink a whiskey while I admire the seasoned patina I’ve created with my 22 times fired brass.
Dave

HAHA I love it!

 

[LVLAaron]

That’s what we do at home Aaron. I cut the grass and the girlfriend anneals brass. We have 4 shooters in F class, so we process a lot of brass.
Dave

CUTTIN GRASS AND ANNEALIN BRASS