Sorry if it did not trash your sacred lamb. Take a gander at the Snipers Hide at all the issues from people that really "use" their optics and not baby them. My own observations are enough to make me stay away. All of the issues that I described are common knowledge, except here and documented by others that have had similar issues even after return for repair. Strange that no one here ever experiences issues. Maybe those older scopes were of a high quality than what is being made today.
Vortex Viper vs Leupold vx-3
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I prefer to stick to websites where the members share ACTUAL real world experience. I know for a fact many WORLD CLASS competitors visit this site. The site you mentioned is notorious for it's animosity...... and not held in very high regard among the shooting sport websites. Good luck with your Vortex optics. As a content Leupold owner, luck is something I don't have to rely on.
snert
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Whoa! I logged on out of curiosity about this topic and after about thirty seconds thought I had logged onto one of the flame sites. Ok, so for this brief post it doesn't matter what kind of scope I like or own. What strikes me here is complete lack of professionalism in this posting. I like this site specifically because it typically does not get derailed on sillines and flames. I'm just a humble little LEO guy. I have learned that those who know, do. Those who have alot to learn, talk alot. I think i will be avoiding this topic and these posters. Waste of time.
Off to more important things,
Snert
Off to more important things,
Snert
Sniper's Hide
Post #2283482 - 01/10/11 08:08 PM
Re: whats wrong with leupold?
Loc: Nocona Texas
"ive got a box full of them MK 4s and Comp scopes. I talk to Alan at Leupold. About them Thursday there is no way to fix them permently. It is a tube and spring problem. He check his records and said if i send them in again he will replace them with new scopes. I then ask if the new scopes would have the same trouble. He said if they did they would fix them. I press his on issue if he thought i would have the same trouble and he rufuse to answer."
This gentleman has a number of MK 4's that he is offering for $750.00 each too anyone that want's them. He is tired of sending them in for repair.
Post #2283482 - 01/10/11 08:08 PM
Re: whats wrong with leupold?
Loc: Nocona Texas
"ive got a box full of them MK 4s and Comp scopes. I talk to Alan at Leupold. About them Thursday there is no way to fix them permently. It is a tube and spring problem. He check his records and said if i send them in again he will replace them with new scopes. I then ask if the new scopes would have the same trouble. He said if they did they would fix them. I press his on issue if he thought i would have the same trouble and he rufuse to answer."
This gentleman has a number of MK 4's that he is offering for $750.00 each too anyone that want's them. He is tired of sending them in for repair.
CoverDog said:fdshuster said:From the December 2010 issue of "Precision Shooting", page 93, results of 2010 IBS 100/200 yd. score Nationals, equipment list: scopes used: Leupold 33. Weaver 16. Sightron, Nightforce & Burris 7 each. March 4. B&L 3. Myer & Lyman 1 each. January 2011 issue of P.S., page 95, results of Georgia State IBS 100/200 yd. equipment list: scopes used: Leupold 15. Nightforce 7. Weaver 4. March & Sightron 1 each. Yup, just like I thought, a lot of competitors unhappy with their Leupold scopes.
I don't feel the above quote represents the quality of any one scope, but rather what one can afford to use.
If it is based on quality, in the results above it looks like Weaver is favored 4 to 1 over March, and better then 2 to 1 over Nightforce.
I think that is a reflection of what is "affordable" to a particular shooter rather then what a particular shooter would like to be using.
I was thinking JUST the same thing! Laughed out loud just reading Weaver favored 4to1 over March. I gave up arguing with the Leup followers LONG ago. For the price especially, my opinion has been "great warranty on sub-par glass". But, I buy scopes for the glass, not the warranty--so Leups are out for me. Many mfrs out there right now with better glass in my opinion, and some for much less coin.
For competition , a scopes holding zero is paramount over optical quality. Other qualities that trump having ED quality glass are, precise small adjustments (i.e. 1/8 " in short range BR), fine reticles, and generous eye relief.
F. Shusters' statistics confirm these facts. Those scope manufacturers listed represent the bulk of what works in the competitive arena. Remember, in competition you have to shoot in a finite period of time...... therefore you must perform in a variety of conditions,including heavy mirage. The higher-end scopes with E.D. glass may help locate bullet holes at the longer ranges, but judging from the match reports, many successful competitors seem to do fine without them.
Most competitors are not concerned with their optics ability to render the true colors of a pileated woodpecker that may be perched on the target frame, or it's ability to find game an hour after dusk. There is no longer a nighttime BR match.
It appears we all have a different definition for "quality". I base mine on proven performance in the field and the results on my targets hanging on the wailing wall. Remember, I have been trying other brands throughout my 45 years of shooting, and as of right now, all my scopes sport a Gold Ring.
F. Shusters' statistics confirm these facts. Those scope manufacturers listed represent the bulk of what works in the competitive arena. Remember, in competition you have to shoot in a finite period of time...... therefore you must perform in a variety of conditions,including heavy mirage. The higher-end scopes with E.D. glass may help locate bullet holes at the longer ranges, but judging from the match reports, many successful competitors seem to do fine without them.
Most competitors are not concerned with their optics ability to render the true colors of a pileated woodpecker that may be perched on the target frame, or it's ability to find game an hour after dusk. There is no longer a nighttime BR match.
It appears we all have a different definition for "quality". I base mine on proven performance in the field and the results on my targets hanging on the wailing wall. Remember, I have been trying other brands throughout my 45 years of shooting, and as of right now, all my scopes sport a Gold Ring.
the last two leupold mk4's I have bought failed. First scope NIB- after i bore sighted I fired one round, started to make adjustments and noticed that the crosshairs would not move. Had to send back for replacement. Second one would not hold a zero to save its life. I had no predictablilty what so ever, I took the scope off and gave it to a relative who said he send it in, thats when we noticed countless specks on the inside of the front lense. After that I mounted a NF, that thing has been to the range countless times, orxy, barbary sheep hunts, bouncing around my truck for days and still is dead on. Currently I am waiting for delivery for a Kahles scope. We'll see how that one works
Erik Cortina
Team Lapua Brux Borden Captain
fdshuster said:Daily Bulletin, this site, Jan 22 US Military equipping the new Remington M24E1 sniper rifles with Leupold Mark 4 6.5-20x50mm.
McKinneyMike is going to be pissed! ;D
Dream on! Why on Earth would I be upset that the US Government blows thru money like water. As far as put the best equipment into our troops hands at all times, you have obviously never served in the US Military!Erik Cortina said:fdshuster said:Daily Bulletin, this site, Jan 22 US Military equipping the new Remington M24E1 sniper rifles with Leupold Mark 4 6.5-20x50mm.
McKinneyMike is going to be pissed! ;D
How on Earth does a Mk 4 compare to a VX3 anyway? If you think that those two are even close to the same, I have a BSA in your future friend
If you truly like your VX3 more than Viper enjoy them! I choose not to give Leupold anymore money given their reluctance to provide an up to date products and charging more than today's prices for less quality and performance. Seems that the rest of the world is catching on to Leupold also, except here.
The reference to the Military selection of the Leupold MK 4's was directed at 2 postings on this thread that slammed the MK 4's. On 01/12-11 @ 11:15am: "This gentleman has a number of MK 4's that he is offering for $750.00 each to anyone that wants them. He is tired of sending them in for repairs". On 01/13-11@ 05:36am: "The last two Leupold MK 4's I have bought failed". Yes, I'm well aware of the differences between the VX111 ( I have several and they have been nothing but flawless) and the MK 4's. And if cost were the only issue then I would presume the U.S.Military would be equipping their long range rifles with Barska, NC Star, the Vortex "made in China", etc.
Erik Cortina
Team Lapua Brux Borden Captain
McKinneyMike said:Dream on! Why on Earth would I be upset that the US Government blows thru money like water. As far as put the best equipment into our troops hands at all times, you have obviously never served in the US Military!Erik Cortina said:fdshuster said:Daily Bulletin, this site, Jan 22 US Military equipping the new Remington M24E1 sniper rifles with Leupold Mark 4 6.5-20x50mm.
McKinneyMike is going to be pissed! ;D
How on Earth does a Mk 4 compare to a VX3 anyway? If you think that those two are even close to the same, I have a BSA in your future friend
If you truly like your VX3 more than Viper enjoy them! I choose not to give Leupold anymore money given their reluctance to provide an up to date products and charging more than today's prices for less quality and performance. Seems that the rest of the world is catching on to Leupold also, except here.
BSA? I don't think so! I buy scopes from companies that have a good track record and that I know will be around in 10 years. That's why I buy Leupold and Nightforce.
And as far as VX-3 and MK4 not being equal, YOU are the one that posted an ad about MK4's for sale in a VX-3 discussion... So, apparently YOU are the one that think they are the same, no wonder you like Vortex!
Please don't compare NF to Leupold. That is not even close
The only Vortex scope made in China is the Crossfire. Just to set the record straight for you .
fdshuster said:
fdshuster, I wasnt slamming the mk4s, I was merely stating, that with two different ones, I had a 100% failure rate. In all fairness, they do have a great warranty, and I was without a scope maybe 60 days, tops. I can only hope that when my nightforce breaks they can at least match leupolds quality service.
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