Thanks for your service Halo68, and for your sacrifice.
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Thanks for your service Halo68, and for your sacrifice.
stacy
2 TIMOTHY 2 VERSE 15
THANKS FOR YOUR SERVICE SIR !!!!!!
What???? Were you a slow learner? I got my permanent license at 14 yr 3 mo with a Texas State Trooper sitting in the passenger seat.And we had to parallel park.
How many of us would even think of turning our kids loose with the family car at that age today?
Oh not to be worried. I was driving loooooong before 16. Started at maybe 10 or 11 on the backroads of Iowa but I was on the courthouse steps when they opened on my 16th birthday so I could drive without looking in my rear view mirror more than the windshield and I had my own firearm, at 9. I guess I forgot to put in the word "legally".
No issue raising firearm age to 21 but I’ve said this several times already, raise the age to 21 for the following:
Voting age
Legal age of consent
Military Service
Legal age of adulthood (applying for loans, apartments, homes, CC, etc)
These kids want to talk like adults? Then they need to get repercussions like adults. I’m writing my Georgia congressmen now. My little brother is 20 and I want to punch him in the mouth. My parents baby the shit out of him. I hate it so much. I see it in all of his friends too. This is our future folks.
Voting age
Legal age of consent
Military Service
Legal age of adulthood (applying for loans, apartments, homes, CC, etc)
These kids want to talk like adults? Then they need to get repercussions like adults. I’m writing my Georgia congressmen now. My little brother is 20 and I want to punch him in the mouth. My parents baby the shit out of him. I hate it so much. I see it in all of his friends too. This is our future folks.
Someoldguy
Sir, I do not follow your line of thought here.
It would seem to suggest that you believe that the solution to immaturity and irresponsibility is to 'lower the expectation' bar.
I'm going to have to strongly disagree.
You folks want kids to act like adults? Then start treating them like adults.
And you'd better apply that same level of expectation to the 30-something kids who are living in 'Mom and Dad's' basement with 2 kids, too. Just how long do they need to 'get on their feet', anyway? 1 more decade? 2? WOW!
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I was looking at more like a punishment. Remember it’s “the kids” pleading to raise the age. If we can’t trust you with a rifle and your cries are punishing everyone else, then you need to be punished as well. You can’t pick and choose what rights you’re mature enough for. That’s ridiculous.
I’m only 29. Since I’ve been allowed to vote it’s either libertarian or republican for me.
Without sounding like a jerk, when I was 18, I was not like most kids. I was locked away for 4 years at college, so I honestly wouldn’t have known better about voting or trying to act out / act like an adult. Only reason I’ve been voting since 18 is because my dad would send me absentee ballots and tell me who the jerk was trying to raise property taxes and who was also anti gun. Made it’s a pretty simple solution for me.
The college kids today don’t care about fixing issues, they only care about identifying them and then moving onto the next “cause” when they get bored.
Just using my brother and his friends who are 20 year olds (I know small sample size) I don’t think they are mature enough or actually care enough to act like adults anyway. And my brief stint on social media further proved that most kids and adults are idiots.
I stand by my 21 for everything solution. Once again I’m looking at it more as a punishment then anything else. These kids run their mouths and play stupid games, well I want them to win stupid prizes. You can’t have a kid complain that his peers aren’t smart enough to use a rifle responsibly, but then expect me to believe you when you want to pick the next leader of the United States?
As for the conservative thing, I’m army so I wanted good training and Republicans provide good budgets for good training. Now that I’m getting out I have a real job (start in June) and just found out I’m getting 30k taken out a year in taxes. I have an uncle who gets 150k taken out in taxes every year. How are we in this much debt with that kind of tax rate?? And last but not least I’ve grown up with firearms since I was 5. I don’t want that taken away from me because some beta male 5k miles from me wets himself when he sees a firearm.
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joshb
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Straight Republican my whole life. I still remember how crushed my father was when Goldwater lost his shot.
Shynloco
You can lead a horse to water, but ........
LH,
Couldn't agree with you more. Sometimes, I'm not sure if people simply cannot express themselves by not CLEARLY expressing their views, or whether they are left wing liberals who never served in the military. Whichever their handicap, they throw dirt on honorable men and women who put it all on the line. Remember, many sit behind a keyboard and sprout SHIT and haven't a clue what the f_ _ _!
But consider what is at the root of this entire discussion. It's POLITICIANS who are IMHO, mostly are the SCUM OF THE EARTH as they attempt to frame laws that will gain the admiration and the VOTE of the misguided liberals who want to punish the masses for the acts of the few. We who have served in the military and Law Enforcement, know a good deal more about what drives these CRAZIES to commit unspeakable acts. And what the GOODY TWO SHOES don't understand is the schere number of weapons that are out on the streets (legally and illegally) and that those intent on committing crime will ALWAYS get the tools of their trade, no matter what the laws say. So while politicians lie to their constituents and vainly attempt to overcome those unspeakable acts, the law abiding citizens who enjoy shooting, bear the brunt of IDIOCY and useless maneuvering all just to makes sure the SCUM BAGS get re-elected, so they can makes their millions by accepting money in any way they can.
Personally, I've seen and investigated the worst in people over a 31+ yr career in LE, that after 4.5 years I proudly serving on active duty in the United States Army. It was then and has been my honor and privilege to serve my Country, even if it is filled with IDIOTS and Politicians who often are one and the same. So may I suggest you ignore the MORONS and continue to honor and help those who have flashbacks from their service to others and their COUNTRY. I salute all those as well as the men and women who actively serve today. They are the ones that REALLY matter....not the low life, shitbag politicians in Washington and around the country on a state-by-state basis. Most of those clowns have never ducked a bullet in their lives let alone, understanding what it means to SERVE!
Best regards as always,
Alex
Pistols not rifles
Shhhhh !!!
Your a bad man halo68. You have my respect and appreciation for your service and sacrifice not to mention the honor of serving this STILL great country.
The DIGITAL AGE I think is the problem . Grand theft auto , call if duty , and parents that let video games ( and internet ) baby sit their kids . Grand theft auto video game started in 1997 , around the same time the first wave of school shootings started . I'm 40 and I played it too , but my parents were good parents that made me work for the things I wanted ( dirt bike , they split my car payments with me ) . I also grew up to respect firearms and had many before I even took my hunters safety course . I think I missed 1 question on the test . We are seeing the beginning of the end I believe . It's prophetized in the Bible . Call me crazy but something has definitely changed since the year 2000 .
Westhunder
Please excuse typos, sent from my iPhone.
Here’s another idea. Quit paying politicians for being public “servants”.
Since when does being a public servant get you 125,000 tax free, for life. And Free health care. Run for office because you have ideas of how to change the country for the better. Do you time and impact what you can and then hand off the baton.
I don’t think raising the age is answer. But if they do, it has to be across the board. Also countries that you see that require kids to serve, in some compaction for a few years don’t have these problem.
All these chaps that think the world owes them something seems to be the issue. And the government not doing their actual job. See something, say something, “do something” we can’t quit after the first two parts.
Since when does being a public servant get you 125,000 tax free, for life. And Free health care. Run for office because you have ideas of how to change the country for the better. Do you time and impact what you can and then hand off the baton.
I don’t think raising the age is answer. But if they do, it has to be across the board. Also countries that you see that require kids to serve, in some compaction for a few years don’t have these problem.
All these chaps that think the world owes them something seems to be the issue. And the government not doing their actual job. See something, say something, “do something” we can’t quit after the first two parts.
Bugs
Mike Bonchack
My (now 19, almost 20 year old) grandson is a good example of this quandary. When he was 18, he wanted a Benelli shotgun, saved his money and bought one. The next day, he and his buddies had a box of clay birds up back of our house and had a fine time. They had all learned about guns, gun safety in general from a very young age. No harm, no foul, right. The problem is that the NEXT 18 year old that walks into the LGS where my grandson bought his Benelli might well be some street thug with his pants below the crack of his ass, his ball cap on sideways and a pocket full of drug money intent on dealing with an opposing gang member or he might be a kid with serious mental health issues who had no or very little good parenting at all and who grew up in a video game world. I'm not offering an opinion or a suggested solution but this is the problem that we face. Maybe the system should be such that my grandson should have had to have one of his parents sign off on the ATF form before he would have been permitted to buy his Benelli. Again, I don't have an answer but I'd sure be interested in hearing all of your thoughts on this matter.
Evidently so. I didn't buy many new guns in the 70's, 80's, and early 90's so I don't remember exactly what was done in the past. I don't remember any background checks then.
What's the difference in 18 or 25? At 25 your grandson is still going to be responsible and safe, the other is still going to be the same dipshit with his pants half down his ass cheeks and up to no good.
snert
Silver $$ Contributor
So the issue is age? Or do I read that the issue is character?
Cause if it is age, then a simple prohibitive law will result in no more shootings. That is logic boiled down. And if that fixes the problem, well dang, let's do it yesterday.
If it is character, well we have our work cut out for us. We not only have taught immorality, we have legislated it, for YEARS. And the same crowd that is pushing for simplistic laws to restrict behavior is the same crowd that demands license for that immorality. Immorality is in fact a predictor of character. Character is the sum of the actions of immorality or morality. If one leans toward immorality self-control is the first to go and then LAW must restrict. But law has never proven to restrain behavior, but rather point out (make evident) what immoral behavior really is. (BTW, this is the main lesson of the Old Testament)
Only through a change of heart can we have a change of behavior. We cluck and moan about where we have fallen, but we have not yet turned away from our bad ideas that are having bad consequences. We have not repented, as a nation or even in part, from our destructive ideas. We are reaping what we have sown. Stupid laws written by stupid people who have separated truth from reality and morality from behavior will only result in a continued loss of liberty...whether it be guns, big soda, taxes, or any of the big "trigger point warnings' our lazy minded youth are demanding.
Thank God for the remnant who stand fast for truth.
Only a virtuous people are capable of freedom. Without virtue, rule will come from the outside. History indicated that tyranny is the usual first step. First by a large impotent effeminate ruling "class", then by anarchy, then by corrupt, immoral tyrants by means of arms.
Ours has been one of the few to have freedom and liberty, and the only to have it "by the people".
And that is why the Second Amendment was written...to assure a means of defending it.
Morally and spiritually bankrupt. This is the problem. Today sickos harm others (And themselves) in ways never thought of 30 years ago. This is going to continue to evolve, today the knee jeek reaction is about Guns (as well as a deliberate pulling of heart strings by the anti 2A), tomorrow when some 18 year old runs a car through a group of students will we be talking about raising the driving age to 21?
No news to anyone on here, but until we deal with the moral compass of the US, this will not end. Problem is the compass those bitching the loudest is almost exclusively pointing south.
No news to anyone on here, but until we deal with the moral compass of the US, this will not end. Problem is the compass those bitching the loudest is almost exclusively pointing south.
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