●Under 21

[T-shooter]

Which states require you to be 21 years of age to buy a rifle?

I thought Ohio did, maybe years ago. I could only find Hawaii and Illinois that do now.

 

[LitLBoy]

I'm from Ohio, bought my first pistol at 14, left junior high school on lunch break, walked to the gun shop bought the pistol, put it in my locker and road the bus home, 1959. When I was in H.S. buddy and I took guns to school every day during hunting season. Assistant P. would walk the parking lot in the morning talking to students before school, always stopped to ask how the hunting was that year. Grade school up every boy and half the girls carried a jack knife, but never, never, never, did anyone pull a knife on another student. There were a few black eyes and bloody noses. There were lines you didn't cross back then, no one crossed them ever. The guns haven't changed, the people have changed.
The 2nd. W.W. proved to industry that the women could make anything just as well as the men. Wasn't long before they figured out, put the women to work along with the men and you have twice the work force. Now pay both the husband and the wife half the money you were paying the husband and you have twice the work force at the same cost. Now who is watching the kids and teaching them the life lessons they need?
Rant Over
LitLBoy

 

[22BRGUY]

I'm from Ohio, bought my first pistol at 14, left junior high school on lunch break, walked to the gun shop bought the pistol, put it in my locker and road the bus home, 1959. When I was in H.S. buddy and I took guns to school every day during hunting season. Assistant P. would walk the parking lot in the morning talking to students before school, always stopped to ask how the hunting was that year. Grade school up every boy and half the girls carried a jack knife, but never, never, never, did anyone pull a knife on another student. There were a few black eyes and bloody noses. There were lines you didn't cross back then, no one crossed them ever. The guns haven't changed, the people have changed.
The 2nd. W.W. proved to industry that the women could make anything just as well as the men. Wasn't long before they figured out, put the women to work along with the men and you have twice the work force. Now pay both the husband and the wife half the money you were paying the husband and you have twice the work force at the same cost. Now who is watching the kids and teaching them the life lessons they need?
Rant Over
LitLBoy

I relate. I had a 20 gauge in my '56 ford parked in the school parking lot every day for pheasant hunting after school. I got in a few "disagreements" but it never crossed my mind to go out a get the shotgun. Guess I was just way dumber than they are now........and my friends Dad had a corner gas station that he raised 4 kids with in a nice home and his Mom never worked.....go figure.
That was from the day I was 16 and could drive by the way.

 

[Westhunder]

If you are going to raise the age of guns to 21 that’s fine by me! Also raise the age for voting and require a back round Check for that too. Might as well since the slope is so slippery. That’s not the answer. Do your job (fbi), raise responsible children and know that there is evil in this world. I’m willing to bet that there is a corrilation between most people that do evil stuff like this... so let’s focus there! New countries were founded Bc of what that government is trying to do, I.e. THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA. We need to get back to the basics or we are going to be in a world of hurt. And if the damn media would stop making them infamous it would help!

 

[VaRandy]

On a somewhat positive note for our side ,, I just read the Florida shooter only used 10 round magazines ..
I guess that blows a hole in a lot of laws already in place to stop "mass killings" .

If that is so, someone planted several 30 round loaded magazines for it in the school. Very well could be cops since they are under suspicion themselves,

 

[Shawnba67]

You're right, we wouldn't ever know...........either way. We could "what if" this till dark. There is no harm in raising the age to 21. If I started a thread about how a good chunk of today's kids have no sense of appreciation, no respect, no work ethic, no common sense, no accountability, no responsibility, etc., you think there'd be no stories about how different kids are nowadays? If we run across a kid that does have those attributes, we are very impressed and he/she leaves a lasting impression. 20, 30, 40+ years ago, it didn't catch people off guard like it does today. It was very common back then. Parents were parents and taught it. It was also taught in schools and churches. In today's bleeding heart society (another big part of today's problems), you lose your job and/or get sued if you tell anybody how to act. When I was in school, half the parking lot had a pickup, a gun rack in the rear window, at least one rifle in that rack, and you never heard about school shootings. You still trying to tell me that today's kids "deserve" the right to walk in and buy a firearm at 18? The same ones that eat Tide Pods for fun? You think those same kids will be eating Tide Pods at 21, if they are still alive? I'd like to think they might be starting to grow up some, by then. In my eyes, that right has to be earned. Why does 21 bother you? What's so magical about 18? Voting? Military? Guessing at the typical response, you sure about that??? I'm not the kind to lose my head and say this move would be the end to the 2nd Amendment, so, I guess you're right again, I don't see the logic.

The current media has misinformation down to a science and WE ALL fall prey to it. You site tide pods and I have had the exact same thoughts on it, I nearly wrote off an entire generation because of it. The flat truth odf the matter is not that many kids are doing it, however like any kind of violence you will be told about every single case of it.
As far as raising the age, the problem is that it isnt about safety uts about their control of us.
IF THEY GAVE A SINGLE DAMN ABOUT PUBLIC SAFETY THEY WOULD DO MORE ABOUT DRUNK/TEXTING DRIVERS.

 

[praveen]

If 21 is better than 18, won’t 30 be better than 21? Or maybe 40?

 

[22BRGUY]

On a somewhat positive note for our side ,, I just read the Florida shooter only used 10 round magazines ..
I guess that blows a hole in a lot of laws already in place to stop "mass killings" .

NICE CATCH!!

 

[stacy]

I think in most states it's already the law that you have to be 21 to buy a rifle or pistol, usually younger for a shotgun.

ITS NOT A LAW !!!!!!! I WOULDN'T BUY NOTHING FROM THAT BUISNESS, 21 FOR PISTOLS AND PISTOL AMMO !!!!!!!

 

[Someoldguy]

ITS NOT A LAW !!!!!!! I WOULDN'T BUY NOTHING FROM THAT BUISNESS, 21 FOR PISTOLS AND PISTOL AMMO !!!!!!!

That's not exactly true, or at least so I have been informed.

Illinois and Hawaii are both 21 for purchase of rifles and shotguns. If this is not correct, I'm sure someone will be along to admonish me in short order.

And stop using the caps lock to 'yell' with. Most everyone is upset and tense, we 'get' it. Take a deep breath . . .

 

[onelastshot]

You're right, we wouldn't ever know...........either way. We could "what if" this till dark. There is no harm in raising the age to 21. If I started a thread about how a good chunk of today's kids have no sense of appreciation, no respect, no work ethic, no common sense, no accountability, no responsibility, etc., you think there'd be no stories about how different kids are nowadays? If we run across a kid that does have those attributes, we are very impressed and he/she leaves a lasting impression. 20, 30, 40+ years ago, it didn't catch people off guard like it does today. It was very common back then. Parents were parents and taught it. It was also taught in schools and churches. In today's bleeding heart society (another big part of today's problems), you lose your job and/or get sued if you tell anybody how to act. When I was in school, half the parking lot had a pickup, a gun rack in the rear window, at least one rifle in that rack, and you never heard about school shootings. You still trying to tell me that today's kids "deserve" the right to walk in and buy a firearm at 18? The same ones that eat Tide Pods for fun? You think those same kids will be eating Tide Pods at 21, if they are still alive? I'd like to think they might be starting to grow up some, by then. In my eyes, that right has to be earned. Why does 21 bother you? What's so magical about 18? Voting? Military? Guessing at the typical response, you sure about that??? I'm not the kind to lose my head and say this move would be the end to the 2nd Amendment, so, I guess you're right again, I don't see the logic.

As you mentioned, the pathetic reality is kids of this generation are far more immature than those of the 50's and 60's. You can't afford them the independence we had in the 60's because they demonstrate the maturity of a child years younger than our generation. With all things considered, Seventeen and eighteen year old kids who spend their afternoons playing video games really don't deserve the privilege of purchasing real firearms when they are still living in a fantasy world shooting aliens in a make believe world, i cringe at the notion of allowing them the privilege of driving, let alone allowing them to possess firearms.

 

[KMart]

I relate.
That was from the day I was 16 and could drive by the way.

What???? Were you a slow learner? I got my permanent license at 14 yr 3 mo with a Texas State Trooper sitting in the passenger seat. And we had to parallel park.
How many of us would even think of turning our kids loose with the family car at that age today?

 

[stacy]

That's not exactly true, or at least so I have been informed.

Illinois and Hawaii are both 21 for purchase of rifles and shotguns. If this is not correct, I'm sure someone will be along to admonish me in short order.

And stop using the caps lock to 'yell' with. Most everyone is upset and tense, we 'get' it. Take a deep breath . . .

NO HARM JUST CAT SEE LIKE I ONCE COULD ITS NOT YELLING FOR ME ITS SEEING !! MUST BE A STATE LAW DONT THINK ITS A ATF LAW

 

[Someoldguy]

As you mentioned, the pathetic reality is kids of this generation are far more immature than those of the 50's and 60's. You can't afford them the independence we had in the 60's because they demonstrate the maturity of a child years younger than our generation. With all things considered, Seventeen and eighteen year old kids who spend their afternoons playing video games really don't deserve the privilege of purchasing real firearms when they are still living in a fantasy world shooting aliens in a make believe world, i cringe at the notion of allowing them the privilege of driving, let alone allowing them to possess firearms.

Hold them accountable for their actions. And inactions.

Life is all about choice in the US of A. THAT, friends and neighbors, is what makes this place special.

Now how about we get back to keeping the wrong folks out of the school building, theatre and discount store and quit worrying about things like if the imbecile with the gun received proper upbringing and therefore might not be 'emotionally developed' enough to understand the consequences of his/her actions?

LEOs have been ejected from business establishments of late because they were in uniform and thus required to wear their side-arm and other customers were 'Uncomfortable'.

Ya know, where I come from, if you are 'Uncomfortable' being in the close proximity of a LEO with a firearm, it's MOST likely because you're 'tweakin', have a warrant, or are paranoid for some other as yet undiscovered illegal activity.

This does not have to be difficult.

 

[onelastshot]

I'm from Ohio, bought my first pistol at 14, left junior high school on lunch break, walked to the gun shop bought the pistol, put it in my locker and road the bus home, 1959. When I was in H.S. buddy and I took guns to school every day during hunting season. Assistant P. would walk the parking lot in the morning talking to students before school, always stopped to ask how the hunting was that year. Grade school up every boy and half the girls carried a jack knife, but never, never, never, did anyone pull a knife on another student. There were a few black eyes and bloody noses. There were lines you didn't cross back then, no one crossed them ever. The guns haven't changed, the people have changed.
The 2nd. W.W. proved to industry that the women could make anything just as well as the men. Wasn't long before they figured out, put the women to work along with the men and you have twice the work force. Now pay both the husband and the wife half the money you were paying the husband and you have twice the work force at the same cost. Now who is watching the kids and teaching them the life lessons they need?
Rant Over
LitLBoy

I remembering getting my drivers license at 16 and the first weekend following that, loading the trunk with shotguns and clay pigeons to spend the day shooting. I don't know of any kids today that would be allowed those kinds of freedoms or responsibility.

 

[Someoldguy]

NO HARM JUST CAT SEE LIKE I ONCE COULD ITS NOT YELLING FOR ME ITS SEEING !! MUST BE A STATE LAW DONT THINK ITS A ATF LAW

OK, gotcha.

Yes. State law in Hawaii and Illinois. Or so I've been instructed.

 

[Someoldguy]

What???? Were you a slow learner? I got my permanent license at 14 yr 3 mo with a Texas State Trooper sitting in the passenger seat. And we had to parallel park.
How many of us would even think of turning our kids loose with the family car at that age today?

What is this 'Family Car' of which you speak?

 

[halo68]

I got my orders to go to Viet Nam on my 18th birthday in Feb. 68, Was wounded three times, first time in 68, Purple Heart, second time in 69 was wounded twice in one day but Army says counts for one Purple Heart, Came home around the middle of Aug. 69 with two Purple Hearts and I still wasn't 21.

 

[KMart]

What is this 'Family Car' of which you speak?

The only one we had, but you make a good point. Some didn't have that.

 

[mtnman31]

I remembering getting my drivers license at 16 and the first weekend following that, loading the trunk with shotguns and clay pigeons to spend the day shooting. I don't know of any kids today that would be allowed those kinds of freedoms or responsibility.

In today's world, even if a parent trusts a responsible kid to spend a day shooting on his/her own, a parent is putting themselves in jeopardy. Let a kid have a gun unsupervised and a parent is asking to get charged/arrested.