Tuners

[muleystalker]

No, only the difference from mounted or not.

I had the same experience on several rifles while having my Magneto Speed V3 on the barrels, it tightened real good loads up even more.

 

[gunsandgunsmithing]

I posted this story a few years ago on here. It's a good read, I think.

Tuner story...

I posted this story on another site but thought others may find it interesting and am posting here, too. The story is based on a rifle I bought last year, which had another maker's tuner on it when I got it. This tuner uses a slightly smaller thread diameter than mine, so rather than cutting an...

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[TC260]

had you seen how the hornady guys were using the tuner its easy to see why it did not work

FWIW, I'm a dispassionate observer, I'm not a BR shooter and don't own a tuner so I'm not challenging what you're saying, as a non-user I'm just interested to know what specific procedures they did or didn't do that invalidated their experiments?

 

[LVLAaron]

FWIW, I'm a dispassionate observer, I'm not a BR shooter and don't own a tuner so I'm not challenging what you're saying, as a non-user I'm just interested to know what specific procedures they did or didn't do that invalidated their experiments?

Long story short... They tested them the way they wanted them to work. It didn't work that way, because it doesn't work that way.

 

[Bill Norris]

Long story short... They tested them the way they wanted them to work. It didn't work that way, because it doesn't work that way.

Nope, you definitely cannot turn the tuner complete rotations and expect to see much usefulness in that. And, if I understand correctly they did not try to work with the best rifle and/or components nor try to do a load work-up first which will never validate the use of a tuner.

 

[richard]

I can tell you this from experience, a rifle completely out of tune with a tuner shoots worse than a non-tunered rifle out of tune. It's sounds counterintuitive but that is actually a good thing. I would like to hear if anybody else has seen this.

 

[CharlieNC]

I can tell you this from experience, a rifle completely out of tune with a tuner shoots worse than a non-tunered rifle out of tune. It's sounds counterintuitive but that is actually a good thing. I would like to hear if anybody else has seen this.

I believe it. Instead of being in the upswing for positive compensation, on the downswing to accentuate deviations.

 

[Northridge]

I can tell you this from experience, a rifle completely out of tune with a tuner shoots worse than a non-tunered rifle out of tune. It's sounds counterintuitive but that is actually a good thing. I would like to hear if anybody else has seen this.

I actually agree with this statement and have documented a similar response… personally I’m glad its violent out of tune… this is how my best barrels react with out a tuner involved… 2 of the 3 barrels I’ve opted for a tuner to just see if I could clean up garbage results for 5 shots we’re not violent when in a moment of movement… the Tuners developed more reaction between spots of good…


Shawn Williams

 

[misser]

small moves on the tuner ,one number at a time . 3-5 shots then one more number, 3-5 more shots then one more number,ecta. don't know if I ever gone past the 8th digit to get tight groups . in the pic its #3 digit and then the #4 digit

 

[ELR LVR]

small moves on the tuner ,one number at a time . 3-5 shots then one more number, 3-5 more shots then one more number,ecta. don't know if I ever gone past the 8th digit to get tight groups . in the pic its #3 digit and then the #4 digit

Nice display.
I was hoping to see some kind of groups where it is VERY evident the shooter didn't just happen to suddenly shoot one group better than the last.
Those 2 groupings significantly contrast one another showing a major change in shot dispersion

 

[Ccrider]

Nice display.
I was hoping to see some kind of groups where it is VERY evident the shooter didn't just happen to suddenly shoot one group better than the last.
Those 2 groupings significantly contrast one another showing a major change in shot dispersion

If it repeats.

 

[misser]

If it repeats.

that's the nice thing a bout a tuner . its not set in stone. if for some reason it needs a adjustment , give a number up or down .

 

[Rob01]

Nice display.
I was hoping to see some kind of groups where it is VERY evident the shooter didn't just happen to suddenly shoot one group better than the last.
Those 2 groupings significantly contrast one another showing a major change in shot dispersion

Here is my initial tuner test a few years back with three lots of ammo. Only two are in the pic of the adjusting but one is the 5 shot group after tuning that lot with a 6th bullet hole as the aiming point.

The owner of Kinetic Security Solutions who makes the ATS tuner is a PRS match shooter and I talked to him at a match before getting one and trying it and he said use two shots and adjust 2-3 marks on the tuner between. That’s what I did. I started at number 2 for some reason and you can see how far apart the bullet holes are. That is a lot of factory ammo that never really shot good for me as you could see from the first target shot #2. Then I made adjustments and you can see how they start coming together in 3, 4, 5 and 6 and that was about as good as it got but I shot 7 and 1 to see and they did open a little but still better than the starting point. Lot 715 was a decent lot and dropped into a tight group and lot 751 is the group below and the one I shot out at the 930 yards I spoke about in my earlier post in this thread.

And yes they were repeatable. I took a pic and knew where to adjust the tuner to for each lot so I went back to that mark when shooting that lot of ammo. I know a naysayer will come in and talk down what I have posted but the difference is I spent the time at the range and watched the effects and saw what the tuner would do for factory ammo. They are just talking on the internet about something they think won’t work.

 

[Shooter13]

Nice display.
I was hoping to see some kind of groups where it is VERY evident the shooter didn't just happen to suddenly shoot one group better than the last.
Those 2 groupings significantly contrast one another showing a major change in shot dispersion

Let me see if I can find one of my tuner test and post it here, I think you will see the difference.

 

[Canuckienns]

I had two tuners on three different rifles. Sold the tuners. No Garmin also when I am shooting in a competition. I just think about shooting. Works pretty good at times.
IMHO

 

[Bill Norris]

This is an E C V2 tuner test with my 6BRX checking a fully developed load with Bart's 103 gr. Hammers 32.8 gr. of Varget @ .008 jam from just touch. It is only two shot groups for each setting but as one can see that was simply all I needed in order to find a couple of sweet spots. I went back and test 5-shot groups @ settings 10 and 32.5 and then on both sides of those settings at only one mark intervals to see if the tune was wide enough to be dependable. I have went on to shoot many 5-shot groups @ setting 10 less than1/4 MOA and actually won group agg. at a 600 yd. match in Dec. at Rattlesnake Range - Lagrange N C at that setting with this same load and settings. I believe tuners work if the shooter spends time to test in different conditions and is methodical in the amount the tuner is adjusted. Keeping records of tuning and paying attention to conditions is as important as any other part of load development if the tune is maintained.

NOTE: The test was one complete rotation from zero

 

[JFrank]

went back and test 5-shot groups @ settings 10 and 32.5

Uncle Bill’ tell me why you chose number ten versus number five.
Thx
Jim

 

[Bill Norris]

Uncle Bill’ tell me why you chose number ten versus number five.
Thx
Jim

O K When I am testing the tuner I apply the same principal as when working up the load in that I am looking for a pattern more than simply the tightest group. By considering the pattern or "width of the node" if you will it has been taught by many top shooters that the load will remain in tune through conditional changes longer. I have found this to be true with all of my tuner testing with 4 different rifles.

 

[JFrank]

O K When I am testing the tuner I apply the same principal as when working up the load in that I am looking for a pattern more than simply the tightest group. By considering the pattern or "width of the node" if you will it has been taught by many top shooters that the load will remain in tune through conditional changes longer. I have found this to be true with all of my tuner testing with 4 different rifles.

I got ya, it just appears that setting number 10 is starting to shift slightly so that’s why I asked.
Thx

 

[Bill Norris]

I got ya, it just appears that setting number 10 is starting to shift slightly so that’s why I asked.
Thx

Correct but then look at setting 15 though. Another observation to consider if one is swayed by chrono numbers is all the way to setting 20 the M V was really close across 4 settings. 5 10 15 & 20. Just another element to help confirm patterns are important in my opinion.