Wtf does it have to do with any one range Mike? Tuners are in use here at about the same rate as elsewhere in the 1000 yard game. I'll be heading down after work Thursday to shoot actual real matches again. I don't have any ornaments on any of the barrels making this trip, but that doesn't mean there aren't any in my house. Moving towards bigger calibers, so the brakes I guess are sort of fixed ornaments.
They move poi around at 1000 also, I've seen that personally...that's about as far as I got on my "version 3" of trying to find what advantage they could provide for my game. I'm not shooting every non work day these days, so testing back burner shit just doesn't get done. I know it to be fact that we still can NOT use the wrong load. You can turn that sucker all you want, you can even use your mouth if that's your thing. You're not finishing at the top if the load isn't right, with or without tuners.
At this point I see guns with tuners competing and winning, although the rifles are tuned with loading still. I see no disadvantages not having one also, so time will tell. Seems odd that close all (possible 100%) of the records in 1000 yard are without. I think it's just dumb luck, but it is a fact either way.
Thanks, Tom
When I said range, I could have used the word geography just as easily. Some ranges(geographical areas) see more tuner use than others, for any number of reasons, as I'm sure you can imagine. That's all I was saying.
As for the rest of your post, all I can say is that there are a lot of people that will disagree with you and surely, there are also those that will agree, too. But yes, there are several examples of records in SR, 600 and 1000 yard f class and br. But frankly, records are great but aggs are where matches are won. Keeping a rifle/load in peak tune over the course of a day or multiple days is what a tuner can do. And, they can be used to tune when traveling long distances pre-loaded.
But lets get some things straight, because some of your remarks imply things that I do not claim.
1. I've never said that you can't win without a tuner
2. I've never claimed that tuners replace normal load work up.
3. I've never claimed that tuners will make your smallest groups smaller, if you were well tuned before. They can only improve tune if you're not really in tune. Perfect tune is perfect tune, either way.
They are a tool, not a crutch. If you feel like your tune never changes, you don't need a tuner...but that literally flies in the face of physics and chemistry. If ya go pre loaded and tune goes away with a tuner, you can fix it. Without a tuner, you're stuck with an out of tune rifle.
You act like I haven't been around this game for 20+ years and your remarks appear to misrepresent what I have said and come across quite condescendingly.
This has been a good thread. It doesn't need to become a pissing match because you feel differently, for whatever reason. Clearly, by the number of pages and posts made here, there are a lot of people that have found this thread to be of value. I know for sure too, that a lot of people are reading it but not commenting to avoid the pissing match that derogatory remarks tend to lead to. It's pretty simple really. Scroll on by or add something of value, please.
