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Three shot group question

I think one needs to look at the desired endstate. If you're a competitive and/or long-range shooter, the odds are you will have a somewhat robust barrel that tolerates heat much better than ultra-thin and light-weight sporter contour hunting barrels - additionally, most hunters - excluding varmint guys - shoot from a cold barrel. So for them the best but most practical measure of accuracy is one predicated on the conditions of the hunt. How many hunters ever shoot more than 2, maybe 3 shots at their game animal; even if needed, how many actually have an opportunity to take a 4th or 5th shot? Not many. So for them what makes sense when punching paper is groups of no more than 3-shot. For instance, I have a Model 96 Mauser that was fully converted to cock-on-open and with the original barrel (never issued) turned down to what could best be considered a Win M70 featherweight contour. It is what is now a 40-year old piece of walnut inletted & glass bedded well with the barrel transition and taper free-floated. The point here is to point out that this is not a garage-job mil surplus hackjob. Currently it has Docter 3-9 glass. It has a twist of app 7.5 and at a 100-yards, shoots just about anything over 140 grains 2-shots touching out of cold barrel, the 3rd will be about 3/4" out, the 4th about an inch beyond that and so on. Chasing 5-shot groups would make no sense and in reality the only thing that really matters isn't the measure of the 2-shot group, but that it hits exactly at the point of aim. With the apparent new rage for ultra-light rifles, for them seeking anything more than 3-shot groups from cold to mildly warm barrels is simply a crap shoot. Pencil thin barrels simply heat up quicker and their point of aim migrates more - and more quickly - than heavier contoured barrels.
 
I never stated that three shot groups are not of value in load development .
I use them to save components too.
It is just the " I shot a .175 three shot group" guys that make me scratch my head.
I would say that the load looed promising and I will need to follow up with three five shot groups to
see if it truly is.
 
Exactly. There are different uses for shooting groups. We need to identify what use we referring to when making judgements/expressing opinion on how many shots should be in a group.
 
True, but here’s how my twisted mind works - at 5 in at 500 yds I figure that pretty good place to be, but if only 2 rounds are sent downrange i’m left wondering/assuming if the rest stay in or go further out.

So it’s the old sad first then happy ending..
SPJ don't forget the part about it must repeat, if it does then you can shoot a group of 3.... 5.... whatever to see if it meets you needs . I like to confirm with 4 shot groups that are round, must be round then I feel I will be competitive. My total goal when tuning....get to where I am competitive . To me round is important.
 
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Can anything be learned from these 200 yard 3 shot groups? Shot with 6PPC intended use is short range Benchrest.

Groups with X through them were with IMR 8208. The gun didn’t care for it. Groups 1C 1D, 2A and 2B are shot with V133.

3A was shot the following day.
 
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Can anything be learned from these 200 yard 3 shot groups? Shot with 6PPC intended use is short range Benchrest.

Groups with X through them were with IMR 8208. The gun didn’t care for it. Groups 1C 1D, 2A and 2B are shot with V133.

3A was shot the following day.
If you're not pressured out, I'd bet on 30.1 or 30.2 Group shapes! Wind won't do up and to the right from a rh twist bbl but tune certainly will.None are bad for 200 yards though. Good shooting!
 
If you're not pressured out, I'd bet on 30.1 or 30.2 Group shapes! Wind won't do up and to the right from a rh twist bbl but tune certainly will.None are bad for 200 yards though. Good shooting!
Maybe it would get smaller, but my bet is it would start to open back up. At 30.0 grains it was starting to open up. If I could get up to 30.6 or more I think it would start coming back in.
 
Maybe it would get smaller, but my bet is it would start to open back up. At 30.0 grains it was starting to open up. If I could get up to 30.6 or more I think it would start coming back in.
Post some tuner group pics! I'm sure you've correlated tuner marks with powder charges. I'm trying to make that point in another thread. You can probably do it better.
 
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Can anything be learned from these 200 yard 3 shot groups? Shot with 6PPC intended use is short range Benchrest.

Groups with X through them were with IMR 8208. The gun didn’t care for it. Groups 1C 1D, 2A and 2B are shot with V133.

3A was shot the following day.
I learned that my 200yd groups suck next to your's!! Lol
Do you have a target of 29.7-29.9?
 

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