Thoughts on the northland shooters and Bat partnership?

[Cloudrepair]

Sorry for the detuor on the thread
I would like to see a 20 tpi on a bat
If I was going to put a nut on it or not I guess 18tpi would be great to

 

[KMart]

And I want Howa nuts.

Take a look at McGowan barrels. They have this set up.

 

[Dusty Stevens]

How fast or easy you can change the barrel is not what makes a prefit attractive. There are a number of strong points to prefits.... 1. typically shorter waiting period for a barrel 2. Not having to deal with another party to get work done 3. less expensive ($300-350 vs. $600-650 per barrel) 4. Fun and satisfaction of doing it yourself

Common chamberings are often in stock and available for immediate shipment. If you are willing to wait 8-10 weeks you can order a prefit just how you want it: custom length, profile, threaded muzzle, type of crown, surface finish, grade etc. Some prefit manufacturers stock reamers for common wildcats. I know Criterion will also accept a customer provided reamer so you can get any wildcat barrel you desire.

How can these companies send out a chambered and threaded barrel for the price of a quality blank? That means their chamber, threading and finishing is like $40 over the cost of the blank. I wouldnt dial in a barrel for $40 much less finish it out

 

[Iowa Fox]

How can these companies send out a chambered and threaded barrel for the price of a quality blank? That means their chamber, threading and finishing is like $40 over the cost of the blank. I wouldnt dial in a barrel for $40 much less finish it out

Its because they are in control of all prices from the large lots of barrel steel they buy. A individual will never be able to compete with them in any stage of barrel completion.

 

[Falfan2017]

How can these companies send out a chambered and threaded barrel for the price of a quality blank? That means their chamber, threading and finishing is like $40 over the cost of the blank. I wouldnt dial in a barrel for $40 much less finish it out

The mass produced firearm industry is mostly demand priced not supply. I'm not talking about a one man gun smith shop. They are supply based. But criterion barrels are priced based on what people will pay. There is a hefty margin built in and they can afford to thread them for the same price.

 

[KMart]

How can these companies send out a chambered and threaded barrel for the price of a quality blank? That means their chamber, threading and finishing is like $40 over the cost of the blank. I wouldnt dial in a barrel for $40 much less finish it out

It is like buying a new truck. You can buy a pretty nice new P/U for $80K. If you bought all the parts and assembled it yourself, it might cost $500K

 

[Toby Bradshaw]

It is like buying a new truck. You can buy a pretty nice new P/U for $80K. If you bought all the parts and assembled it yourself, it might cost $500K

A better analogy is the difference between an engine you assemble from parts you ordered from J.C. Whitney and one built by Ed Pink.

The first is an amalgamation of "in spec" parts whose manufacturing tolerances are such that when assembled they will function (after a fashion). The second is meticulously handcrafted and fitted. Both engines will get you back and forth to work. One will get you into the winner's circle.

Another analogy is the difference between factory ammunition, "by-the-book" handloads, and ammunition crafted for a particular discipline with a particular rifle. For many practical purposes any of the three types of ammo will get the job done. But only one will get the job done when ultimate precision is required.

Personally, I don't mind paying $150 for my world-record-holding riflesmith to fit/chamber a $340 Krieger blank, even for my coyote rifle.

 

[ratbuster]

A better analogy is the difference between an engine you assemble from parts you ordered from J.C. Whitney and one built by Ed Pink.

The first is an amalgamation of "in spec" parts whose manufacturing tolerances are such that when assembled they will function (after a fashion). The second is meticulously handcrafted and fitted. Both engines will get you back and forth to work. One will get you into the winner's circle.

Another analogy is the difference between factory ammunition, "by-the-book" handloads, and ammunition crafted for a particular discipline with a particular rifle. For many practical purposes any of the three types of ammo will get the job done. But only one will get the job done when ultimate precision is required.

Personally, I don't mind paying $150 for my world-record-holding riflesmith to fit/chamber a $340 Krieger blank, even for my coyote rifle.

Personally, I don't mind paying $150 for my world-record-holding riflesmith to fit/chamber a $340 Krieger blank, even for my coyote rifle.

What world record holding gunsmith fits a blank to an action for $150?

 

[JRS]

What world record holding gunsmith fits a blank to an action for $150?

More than one has/does.

 

[dolek]

What world record holding gunsmith fits a blank to an action for $150?

@Toby Bradshaw
Who is this smith you speak of ?

 

[ridgeway]

What world record holding gunsmith fits a blank to an action for $150?

You make it sound like if it doesn't cost $300, it's not worthy. I've seen work from some "world record smiths" and it ain't pretty. This is why I do my own work...lol

 

[284winner]

How fast or easy you can change the barrel is not what makes a prefit attractive. There are a number of strong points to prefits.... 1. typically shorter waiting period for a barrel 2. Not having to deal with another party to get work done 3. less expensive ($300-350 vs. $600-650 per barrel) 4. Fun and satisfaction of doing it yourself

Common chamberings are often in stock and available for immediate shipment. If you are willing to wait 8-10 weeks you can order a prefit just how you want it: custom length, profile, threaded muzzle, type of crown, surface finish, grade etc. Some prefit manufacturers stock reamers for common wildcats. I know Criterion will also accept a customer provided reamer so you can get any wildcat barrel you desire.

I have a switch barrel Savage gun(s). I guess any Savage is a switch barrel but I only have one I switch barrels on. I have 4 different barrels and THATS what makes it attractive to me. Taking 2 extra barrels in the same hard case and having 3 separate guns is pretty tough to beat.

 

[Toby Bradshaw]

What world record holding gunsmith fits a blank to an action for $150?

One who already has as much work as he wants.

He's a retired machine shop teacher and still-winning BR shooter. He isn't trying to make a living at smithing -- just doing some work for friends.

I have Krieger send the barrel blanks to him and he generally has the fitted/chambered barrels back to me in a week or two.

Yes, I get a good deal but my arrangement is far from unique.

I also leave my reamers with him and he sends me $10 every time he uses one for another shooter. My Henriksen 6BR has paid for itself and then some.

 

[urbanrifleman]

Not all people have access to a good gunsmith that can complete work in a timely fashion. I think people who do often forget that. Nut barrels are a great fix for that. And they are going to get better and better. Trust me I know!!!

The only advantage to a shoulder custom cut barrel is the barrel is clocked so if you switch barrel the POI shifts very little if you use clocked barrels.

 

[mike a]

My LGS charges $100.00 to use there FFL. I'm having a new action shipped to them. $100.00 plus $25.00 for the Backround check. I won't be shipping that action out anywhere else EVER! I love my nuts. What was this thread about?

 

[ratbuster]

My LGS charges $100.00 to use there FFL. I'm having a new action shipped to them. $100.00 plus $25.00 for the Backround check. I won't be shipping that action out anywhere else EVER! I love my nuts. What was this thread about?

Mike,

Are you saying the local gun shop charges you $125 to transfer a firearm?

 

[Falfan2017]

My LGS charges $100.00 to use there FFL. I'm having a new action shipped to them. $100.00 plus $25.00 for the Backround check. I won't be shipping that action out anywhere else EVER! I love my nuts. What was this thread about?

Get a better ffl. 10-40$ is the going rate. No fee for background check.

 

[Dusty Stevens]

Wow thats a lot of money for an ffl!!

 

[memilanuk]

The time they spend processing the paperwork for your transfer and NICS check comes out of their overhead. Not sure what the total amount of time spent doing the paperwork originally, plus later internal auditing, plus sitting down with the friendly neighborhood ATF agent and auditing it again all adds up to... but if you take that number times the total cost (wages plus benefits) that your dealer has to pay the guys who do the paperwork... I bet you'd find the shops charging $10-40 are doing it at a significant loss. Maybe that works for their business model. Maybe it doesn't for others.

 

[mike a]

Wow thats a lot of money for an ffl!!

Yeh, next nearest is two hour drive. This guy has a captive audience.