Thoughts on the northland shooters and Bat partnership?

[Dusty Stevens]

Why make a nut for a Panda or BAT when you can headspace them (and even clock them for a Panda) with a shouldered barrel without having the action in hand? The only reason for a nut is sloppy tolerances on factory actions from receiver face to boltface.

I know that and you do too but we got full fledged rifle builders in business full time that dont even own a lathe or mill.

 

[DirtySteve]

Any gunsmiths or nearly gunsmiths want to take one of your shouldered barrels fire a group the turn it into a Remage barrel and shoot another group? This would solve a lot of questions for folks.

 

[mike a]

Oh contraire! I have owned several nutted Criterion barrels that have and do average 5 shot groups of .25 MOA or better. Not best groups, average. I have shot many 5 shot groups under .2 and more than a few in the 0's.

There's hope for me yet. I love my nuts. Cheers Mike

 

[mikeinct]

Over the last 15 years I have played w quite a few pre-fit Savage barrels. Many Brands, None, none have been duds, some shoot in the low 2's for me...It is a very workable, affordable solution to the full blown custom rifle ..That said, the basic old Savage short action has it's limitations & it's virtues. One is the bolt lift [on some], uhg..Some just fight me..& for now the 150 dollar Rifle basic 2 trigger upgrade is the best option to upgrade that part..It is the best I have found...I reconfigure any old stock 3" forend & Br configuration.& I have a go at the targets out to 1000yds..So Far, it has worked for me..I'm not getting any younger..So this past week.. I pulled the trigger on a Custom Built Rifle..A Shilen DGV single shot, will hang a Jewel trigger & have the 1/20 TPI savage threads..In a McMillan Tooley MBR stock...Brux barrel..6mmBRX chamber...I think it will make me happy...Mike in Ct

 

[hoz53]

Wonder why nobody has made a nut for a regular bat thread? Its not like a bat was off limits for nuts before now- it doesnt take a special action thread to do this. They took the savage nut concept and applied it to the remington thread but not bats or pandas or anything else

Because the savage and remage drop in barrels are available for 3 to 400 and a nut for a different thread would require a person to pay someone to thread and chamber the barrel —and cost more.

 

[boltfluter]

There is zero difference in have a NSS pre-fit and a gunsmith turn one, they all are universal to fit what action they are threaded for....every Savage pre fit or as you say custom fit will measure the same


They will not measure the same. Threads have minimum and maximum dimentions. Pre-fits are threaded to the min. thread pitch to fit all receivers. Just like all action threads have a min and max thread pitch. Try and screw a max dimension barrel tennon into a min dimension action and see how that works out for you. Ain't gonna go. So a custom threaded barrel is a much better fit than most Pre-fits. Same old thing. You get what you pay for. No great mystery there. The pre-fit barrels originated because tight tolerances did not have to be held in a production environment. Read cheaper to mass produce. Aka Savage. While not a bad idea, certainly not the best way to fit a barrel from a pure accuracy stand point.

Paul

 

[Highpower-FClass]

I have a soft spot for barrel nuts and prefits. For customs, my favorite actions are BATs. Northland's Shooters Supply is a great company, great customer service, great people.

This taken together, I am very much looking forward to seeing the details of the NSS BAT action. I can definitely see myself getting one.

 

[Toby Bradshaw]

Same reason some like nut on a Savage or Remington, easy of build and caliber change ability.

Installing a shouldered barrel is easier than with a nutted barrel, and switch barrels for different chamberings were common long before the nut system was ever invented.

The nut is a workaround for imprecise machining of mass-production receivers and barrels. If it works for you, great.

Anyone can order a "prefit" barrel for a Panda and it will work perfectly on any other Panda. But if you're bothering to shoot a high-end action you will also want the bore axis at the future throat dialed in within a tenth, and want the curve in the barrel timed. If that kind of precision doesn't matter to you, then stick with the nut.

 

[matthias]

One really big thing that seems to be missed is the fact many people just like putting things together themselves. A sense of accomplishment is something many are looking for. Cars, computers, the whole maker scene. Great examples of how we all have our space and our people in this world.

We can all agree

more shooters with genuine passion and drive for the sport = better for all of us

 

[Hondo64d]

And I want Howa nuts.

http://criterionbarrels.com/prefits/howa

 

[6milphil]

And I want Howa nuts.

Criterion has them.

 

[Hondo64d]

Any gunsmiths or nearly gunsmiths want to take one of your shouldered barrels fire a group the turn it into a Remage barrel and shoot another group? This would solve a lot of questions for folks.

http://forum.snipershide.com/thread...-prefit-switch-barrel-testing-review.6582532/

 

[Falfan2017]

One really big thing that seems to be missed is the fact many people just like putting things together themselves. A sense of accomplishment is something many are looking for. Cars, computers, the whole maker scene. Great examples of how we all have our space and our people in this world.

We can all agree

more shooters with genuine passion and drive for the sport = better for all of us

That's what I like about it. I don't have the knowledge to use a lathe to chamber a barrel nor do I have the space to keep it. But I like putting stuff together and tinkering with it every step of the way.

 

[Hondo64d]

The equipment list is out from Deep Creek 1000
Savage actions where represented 4 times
Barrel choices are predominantly Krieger
None were Criterion or shilen
Good yes, great? well until someone uses one and places we will just have to speculate
J

http://criterionbarrels.com/criteri...-with-criterion-barrel-and-bighorn-tl3-action

http://criterionbarrels.com/criteri...f-class-national-record-with-criterion-barrel

http://criterionbarrels.com/criteri...national-f-class-record-with-criterion-barrel

http://criterionbarrels.com/criteri...n-sets-national-records-with-criterion-barrel

http://criterionbarrels.com/criteri...art-3-national-records-using-criterion-prefit

 

[Cloudrepair]

Any gunsmiths or nearly gunsmiths want to take one of your shouldered barrels fire a group the turn it into a Remage barrel and shoot another group? This would solve a lot of questions for folks.

I plan on doing this with a Krieger 6.5 8 twist I have probably a 6.5x47l
Now that we're discussing barrel nuts and shoulders do any of you think that I won't get as true of shoulder from a nut compared to shouldered barrel when it is tourqed to 50-60 foot lbs?
And do you think it will affect accuracy turning the barrel shoulder down to thread diameter?

I guess I should mension I would be making my own nut.

 

[Dusty Stevens]

I plan on doing this with a Krieger 6.5 8 twist I have probably a 6.5x47l
Now that we're discussing barrel nuts a shoulders do any of you think that I won't get as true of shoulder from a nut compared to shouldered barrel when it is tourqed to 50-60 foot lbs?

If your thread is undersized .010 from your action due to tolerances (the barrel has to fit everything) then id say no matter how tight you get it its not fit properly. Will it work? Sure it will but theres a reason most pure accuracy buffs still deal with a gunsmith to fit a barrel with a shoulder

 

[Cloudrepair]

If your thread is undersized .010 from your action due to tolerances (the barrel has to fit everything) then id say no matter how tight you get it its not fit properly. Will it work? Sure it will but theres a reason most pure accuracy buffs still deal with a gunsmith to fit a barrel with a shoulder

I can see that .
I would be doing all the work myself to tight tolerances

 

[ratbuster]

Once you own a custom action changing a shouldered barrel is even easier, don't have to even remove the scope.
Savage is a great way to learn and have a fun gun...
J

How fast or easy you can change the barrel is not what makes a prefit attractive. There are a number of strong points to prefits.... 1. typically shorter waiting period for a barrel 2. Not having to deal with another party to get work done 3. less expensive ($300-350 vs. $600-650 per barrel) 4. Fun and satisfaction of doing it yourself

Common chamberings are often in stock and available for immediate shipment. If you are willing to wait 8-10 weeks you can order a prefit just how you want it: custom length, profile, threaded muzzle, type of crown, surface finish, grade etc. Some prefit manufacturers stock reamers for common wildcats. I know Criterion will also accept a customer provided reamer so you can get any wildcat barrel you desire.

 

[ratbuster]

I plan on doing this with a Krieger 6.5 8 twist I have probably a 6.5x47l
Now that we're discussing barrel nuts and shoulders do any of you think that I won't get as true of shoulder from a nut compared to shouldered barrel when it is tourqed to 50-60 foot lbs?
And do you think it will affect accuracy turning the barrel shoulder down to thread diameter?

I guess I should mension I would be making my own nut.

With a precision ground nut (face of the nut square to it's thread), the recoil lug is ground flat and the face of the action is square to the threads you'll be golden.

 

[Cloudrepair]

With a precision ground nut (face of the nut square to it's thread), the recoil lug is ground flat and the face of the action is square to the threads you'll be golden.

Awhile back I got some recoil lugs water jetted out of some ground 4140 plate.
And turning my own nut or my double nut I would be doing the thread and face in same setup so no need for grinding because it will be dead true already.