Perception meets reality. Most of us aren’t BR shooters, I’m not anyway, but I grin like a mule eating saw briars everytime one of my Shilen barreled Savages shoots a 3/8” group or kills a groundhog at 500 yards.
The barrel is one of the cheaper components
- Thread starter dakor
- Start date
Where are these cheap barrels?
Whole load of em in the back of that cheap pick-up.
But the location is a secret.
Whole load of em in the back of that cheap pick-up.
But the location is a secret.
Yeah it’s my fault. lol I was giving info and you were the one who had to have a list of BR winners. You started the BR BS. I don’t care about BR just like most all of the shooting sports as it’s a boring sport and getting smaller every year. Look how many times you asked me and others about who is winning BR matches. That BR is all you.
Jayplace
Gold $$ Contributor
I would guess the reason BR was brought up, would be, High Grade Match Barrels was used as a reference. When comparing equipment there needs to be a reference point and BenchRest is the most logical place to start. It seems logical that Benchrest shooters use all the tricks in the book to eliminate variables. Only then can barrels be reasonably compared with many other barrels. The original question was about high grade match barrels.
Anything other than shooting off of a rest and the use of wind flags, and using the best benchrest guns will provide repeatable results to compare with. Ok, maybe using a rail gun or a test bed would work, but you'll never see a comparison of many barrel /or guns.
Even though people may not have a desire to get involved in Benchrest competition, that is where a lot of the best and repeatable information starts for many other forms of accurate shooting.
Ah a Chevy man, nice car with a proper engine. I think I'm probably a Ford fan, love a Mustang GT500 or Boss 429 but might need a lottery win for those! The cars of that era had some real character.I have had my ‘67 Malibu since 1992. The picture in my Avatar is the engine.
I half jokingly yell people that I am on a quest to spend $400,000 to have a $40,000 car
Please define “ok” and what discipline it’s “ok” for. IMHO, if I were shooting for money I wouldn’t buy a cheap barrel. Cheap is relative though, it’s not the same for a guy making 300k$ a year as it is for a guy making 50k$ a year. If the gun/barrel isn’t competitive why keep throwing components at it until it’s worn out?
Some people attend events as they enjoy the travel, like catching up with friends and buring powder. Not everyone attends an event with the goal to win.
For those people an "ok" barrel is good enough. A barrel that might win a relay or scare a few at the pointy for a day but in the end the owner knows it won't string multiple days of top scores together to win an agg.
muleystalker
Silver $$ Contributor
Your right, it only takes getting one bad one and wasting money on components, range trips, time and chambering cost to make that bunch of cheaper barrels now cost more than good barrels.
dellet
Gold $$ Contributor
The premise in the OP of the cost of the barrel being one of the “cheaper components” is kind of flawed. It’s based mostly on benchrest round counts and accuracy requirement drop off. If the accuracy requirement is not there, the round count goes up, the barrel actually becomes less of a cost factor.
Years ago I found that helping people hand load, using the term “benchrest technique” was met with resistance. “Those benchrest guys are anal, I don’t need to do all that stuff and buy all that fancy equipment” was a common response. What worked really well was simply saying “let’s tighten the tolerances up some”. Placing a beam scale where you can actually see the lines is free, and makes a noticeable difference on target. As does setting the die to fit the chamber.
Biggest thing I have noticed for myself is that most of this “benchrest stuff” that doesn’t seem to make a difference in my target size, is generally traced back to operator error. Good thing I don’t consider myself an operator.
Years ago I found that helping people hand load, using the term “benchrest technique” was met with resistance. “Those benchrest guys are anal, I don’t need to do all that stuff and buy all that fancy equipment” was a common response. What worked really well was simply saying “let’s tighten the tolerances up some”. Placing a beam scale where you can actually see the lines is free, and makes a noticeable difference on target. As does setting the die to fit the chamber.
Biggest thing I have noticed for myself is that most of this “benchrest stuff” that doesn’t seem to make a difference in my target size, is generally traced back to operator error. Good thing I don’t consider myself an operator.
DLT
Silver $$ Contributor
Events like that make me grin too
kd4avp
Gold $$ Contributor
I have to agree with Urban, I was a prefit skeptic at first. But now that I have done 2 rifles with prefits, I have to say it made me a convert. They perform well and didnt break the bank. Plus I like doing it myself.
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