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Terrible day at the range ! UPDATE

H4895 and Varget similar burn rate.



















Varget and N135 are also in that burn rate. Just suggestions. I don't believe it's a fouling issue unless it is fowled, damn chicken feathers!! Just kidden'! I are an engineering major just for forgot how to spell.
















Yeah, CFE turned out horrible. AR- Comp seems better. H4895 is next.
 
Shooters do different things to remove carbon rings. The topic seems pretty close to religion and politics, with volumes written. I will say the not always discussed (although they are said plenty of times) things to be aware of is if you use JB, IOSSO, or some other paste, do not use a patch over a brush and you will see more copper fowling if you polish it too much. The patch over a brush act like lapping which can dull the edges of the rifling. Getting the barrel nice and shiny, for whatever reason, acts like a magnet for copper.

Some have good luck with liquids, some pastes. Some don't use brushes, some use bronze brushes, some nylon, some blue IOSSO. Some like patches, some VFG pellets. With so many options I don't know that anyone can say what the best way is.

For carbon rings, I will say that I do use a bore camera. It takes some discipline to not get hung up on what you are seeing, and it takes a lot of trial and error or someone to teach you, to understand what you are seeing. They can tell you if the ring is starting and what process is working to keep it under control. It is pretty easy to see if you are or are not making progress on removing the ring, and how far it has progressed (e.g., has it started to trap copper). If I have one that I catch late or the barrel is just at the point where it is going to develop regardless (advanced heat cracking), what I do is find a happy place between the patches moving past the ring area without me being able to feel it, and where I am not making decent progress removing any more of the ring without doing a lot of work.
 
Yeah, CFE turned out horrible. AR- Comp seems better. H4895 is next.

I've been using H4895 for all my 223 Rems, 243's with light bullets, i.e. 70 grain, and 308 with light bullets, i.e 125 grain. This powder works exceptional well for me with these combo. It's also convenient to have one powder that works well with multiple calibers thus enabling me to buy in bulk quantities of 8 lb kegs.
 
What was the temperature difference inbetween trips? What did your wind flags tell you was going to happen (did the bullets go where the flags said they would?)
 
What was the temperature difference inbetween trips? What did your wind flags tell you was going to happen (did the bullets go where the flags said they would?)
You’d be amazed at how many people never take wind flags with them for load development.
Even a Bulldozer load will get shoved around......
Just a little ditty .. I was at the 550 yard range a few weeks ago where a fella had his very nice chassis Creedmoor set up, admiring I ask how’s she shootin?
He replied about a minute..
He had no flags set up and was slow firing ( cooling between shots) later I hinted he watch my flags and shoot a little faster but I don’t think he ever did.
 
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What was the temperature difference inbetween trips? What did your wind flags tell you was going to happen (did the bullets go where the flags said they would?)

Maybe 5 - 10 degrees. AR Comp is spozed to be temp stable.

I had one wind flag out, at about 35 yards. Both there and at the bench I waited for 1 - 3 mph wind. Theres basically never 0 wind at this range, so wind is basically always the same factor in every range trip..
 
Maybe 5 - 10 degrees. AR Comp is spozed to be temp stable.

I had one wind flag out, at about 35 yards. Both there and at the bench I waited for 1 - 3 mph wind. Theres basically never 0 wind at this range, so wind is basically always the same factor in every range trip..

no powder is temp stable or fouling resistant no matter what the forums say. 10 should be ok on ar comp though
 
Stop cleaning so much


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Gosh, so many details. Where does one start?! LOL...:D

I read "Terrible day at the range......stop cleaning so much" to possibly mean;

1) Somebody at the bench next to the OP kept swinging a dewey rod around & poking him??
2) Some unknown ghostly phantom force made the OP clean his rifle against his will??
3) Multiple shooters kept cleaning their rifles & causing long delays between relays??
4) The OP smells like Hoppes & the wife won't let him come home until he showers at the Y??
5) OP is new and didn't know to fire 3 or 4 fouler shots after cleaning and before target shooting?

That's the best I could figure.
 




Gosh, so many details. Where does one start?! LOL...:D

I read "Terrible day at the range......stop cleaning so much" to possibly mean;

1) Somebody at the bench next to the OP kept swinging a dewey rod around & poking him??
2) Some unknown ghostly phantom force made the OP clean his rifle against his will??
3) Multiple shooters kept cleaning their rifles & causing long delays between relays??
4) The OP smells like Hoppes & the wife won't let him come home until he showers at the Y??
5) OP is new and didn't know to fire 3 or 4 fouler shots after cleaning and before target shooting?

That's the best I could figure.
I was being sarcastic.:cool:
 




Gosh, so many details. Where does one start?! LOL...:D

I read "Terrible day at the range......stop cleaning so much" to possibly mean;

1) Somebody at the bench next to the OP kept swinging a dewey rod around & poking him??
2) Some unknown ghostly phantom force made the OP clean his rifle against his will??
3) Multiple shooters kept cleaning their rifles & causing long delays between relays??
4) The OP smells like Hoppes & the wife won't let him come home until he showers at the Y??
5) OP is new and didn't know to fire 3 or 4 fouler shots after cleaning and before target shooting?

That's the best I could figure.

1- 4 are possible. #5 is totally wrong.

For one it doesn't take me all day to fire 3 to 4 fouling rounds. Second, this gun fouls in 2 rounds.

:)
 
Stop cleaning so much

I agree with SPJ.

I only use BoreTech Carbon remover. It takes out my carbon and leaves ~40-70% of my copper so I have very little POI.
Carbon is what pits your barrel anyway. I little copper is your friend.
I have a 7t on my 308 and I haven't noticed the fast/aggressive twist foul any faster than a 10 or 12.
Good luck
 




Gosh, so many details. Where does one start?! LOL...:D

I read "Terrible day at the range......stop cleaning so much" to possibly mean;

1) Somebody at the bench next to the OP kept swinging a dewey rod around & poking him??
2) Some unknown ghostly phantom force made the OP clean his rifle against his will??
3) Multiple shooters kept cleaning their rifles & causing long delays between relays??
4) The OP smells like Hoppes & the wife won't let him come home until he showers at the Y??
5) OP is new and didn't know to fire 3 or 4 fouler shots after cleaning and before target shooting?

That's the best I could figure.
Cute kid....
 

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