Should LV and HV Classes Be Merged?

[gunsandgunsmithing]

So it seems ever one wants more crutches....ie... more weight, wider stocks....let's go back to shooting vs trigger pulling. If you were to do anything let's eliminate the heavy class. 10.5 pounds, learn flags, learn bench manners. One gun is all you need, make more targets in a match. Might help getting new shooters started. Too much worry about points and records. Not enough concern about saving the sport.....which is fading away.

Jeff, you're missing my point. If group was at 13.5 it'd be where score shooters from all types of score(sr), could compete in group. That's my main point. And most group shooters shoot a 10.5lb gun in both hv and LV so, no changes unless they choose to. Along with the other points I made. It's nothing to do with a crutch. It's solely about making group more practical for more shooters...who happen to already shoot br and already have said equipment.

Again...it ain't happening anytime soon, so no use debating it but group is it's own worst enemy in attracting both new shooters as well as new ranges. It is what it is...for better or worse.

The sole reason I won't be at the super shoot this year is I'll need a new gun for 1 class, for one match. The 10.5lb class face palms roughly 3/5ths of current br shooters....while wondering how they can improve attendance. Duh!

The 3/5ths being ibs score, nbrsa score and UBR,..score, along with ibs and nbrsa group.

 

[D Coots]

It's too hard. Don't think there is a way to make it easy enuf to gain more interest.

Doesn't hurt to look at options.


Don't Move The Plate. FWIW

 

[Shooter13]

So it seems ever one wants more crutches....ie... more weight, wider stocks....let's go back to shooting vs trigger pulling. If you were to do anything let's eliminate the heavy class. 10.5 pounds, learn flags, learn bench manners. One gun is all you need, make more targets in a match. Might help getting new shooters started. Too much worry about points and records. Not enough concern about saving the sport.....which is fading away.

I'm certainly not looking for a crutch, I love the sport too much for that. So what do we say, "screw it" and let everything fall where it may and the sport disappear?
The only part I disagree with you on here is it is more expensive to build a 10.5 lb gun, 13.5 is "somewhat" less expensive and 3 lbs isn't going to ruin the sport nor cover a bunch of gun handling skills.

 

[gunsandgunsmithing]

I'm certainly not looking for a crutch, I love the sport too much for that. So what do we say, "screw it" and let everything fall where it may and the sport disappear?
The only part I disagree with you on here is it is more expensive to build a 10.5 lb gun, 13.5 is "somewhat" less expensive and 3 lbs isn't going to ruin the sport nor cover a bunch of gun handling skills.

If 3lbs was a game changer, I think most group shooters would build a 13.5lb gun, too.

 

[Evan]

I would likely give SRBR a try if I could pull together a gun for it, but I can’t carve a stock that is light enough, and I don’t want to wait an indefinite amount of time and shell out big money for a carbon stock that makes weight. Oh and then get a scope that’s lighter than my Golden Eagle. I’d love to make a new stock for my Borden BR, get a 6 PPC barrel and come give it a go. I guess I could shoot the HV class alone, but that feels pretty limiting. Kinda like showing up to a 1000yd BR match with your F-Open rifle and only getting to shoot half the match as a Heavy Gun.

 

[Shooter13]

I would likely give SRBR a try if I could pull together a gun for it, but I can’t carve a stock that is light enough, and I don’t want to wait an indefinite amount of time and shell out big money for a carbon stock that makes weight. Oh and then get a scope that’s lighter than my Golden Eagle. I’d love to make a new stock for my Borden BR, get a 6 PPC barrel and come give it a go. I guess I could shoot the HV class alone, but that feels pretty limiting. Kinda like showing up to a 1000yd BR match with your F-Open rifle and only getting to shoot half the match as a Heavy Gun.

I understand, really. That is the reason I love the UBR, standard gun "custom" is 13.5 lbs, lots of scopes including the GE work for that. I tend to build my rifles on the heavy side with HV barrel, BAT B or DS actions, Borden BRMXD action. I have a new BAT stock I'm going to try someday too but it is light (less than 24 oz I think.
Wishing you the best and hope you give it a try! Shooting now is my sanctuary away from this crazy world as I am semi-retired. No more 17/12 roofs to climb, just going to work flood whenever the opportunity affords itself.

 

[Fuj]

I understand, really. That is the reason I love the UBR, standard gun "custom" is 13.5 lbs, lots of scopes including the GE work for that. I tend to build my rifles on the heavy side with HV barrel.

It's nice that they also have the Unlimited class. As I look over scores
there are times I see more unlimited guns then custom. That class
alone brings in shooters.....Got me involved with my creations !!

 

[Shooter13]

It's nice that they also have the Unlimited class. As I look over scores
there are times I see more unlimited guns then custom. That class
alone brings in shooters.....Got me involved with my creations !!

True! Look, none of us are going to be making a living off shooting with perhaps a very small exception. Go, have fun, learn, meet new people and enjoy life!

 

[AlNyhus]

A little historical perspective and lesson. At one time, the IBS let it be known they were considering adding a 10.5 lb class in Score shooting. Essentially there would be LVFS and HVFS classes. This was asked for by quite a number of Group shooters that wanted to shoot their PPCs in VFS but felt the 13.5 lb guns had an advantage.

That balloon got floated by the IBS and the narrative was that it was a done deal. Which I felt was a great idea...the more shooters, the better.

Several of us out here...myself included...built new dedicated 10.5 lb guns for this class to both support the new class and have another class to shoot. Once it became known that these new guns were 30BRs, the support for this class dried up literally overnight. The class that was "....a done deal" disappeared like a toot in the wind before ever getting off the ground. The only remnant of that great idea being the new guns that were built that shooters were stuck with. All dressed up and no place to go.

I've always advocated putting my money where my mouth is. That was an expensive lunch.

 

[JEFFPPC]

It's too hard. Don't think there is a way to make it easy enuf to gain more interest.

Doesn't hurt to look at options.


Don't Move The Plate. FWIW

I think you hit the nail on the head, it's to hard. Most today are not looking for hard. I like the UBR concept except for one thing. Too many classes, splits the guns up. I see score as the most viable growth area due to the number of available ranges. Not many ranges with moving backers. There is another thing about paper. I run a UBR style target match . We are not having a Sept match because it conflicts with the 1 and only 1 1000 yard steel match at Mifflen this year and I enjoy that match Hitting a reactive target is fun, look at the numbers that Ridgeway 1000 yard steel match draws. That is what the majority of younger shooters are drawn to.

 

[Shooter13]

I think you hit the nail on the head, it's to hard. Most today are not looking for hard. I like the UBR concept except for one thing. Too many classes, splits the guns up. I see score as the most viable growth area due to the number of available ranges. Not many ranges with moving backers. There is another thing about paper. I run a UBR style target match . We are not having a Sept match because it conflicts with the 1 and only 1 1000 yard steel match at Mifflen this year and I enjoy that match Hitting a reactive target is fun, look at the numbers that Ridgeway 1000 yard steel match draws. That is what the majority of younger shooters are drawn to.

Understand! I don't know how but if they could implement something that accounted for bullet size like we do in UBR, that .050" dot for the .30 caliber is really not that hard to miss! LOL

 

[odie]

LV HV should not be merged. You do not need two different $3500 rifles just have a lv conture barrle and an hv conture barrle.

 

[Shooter13]

LV HV should not be merged. You do not need two different $3500 rifles just have a lv conture barrle and an hv conture barrle.

You want to shoot 2 classes on the same day? That would be a chore to swap barrels out and readjust the scope in 10-12 minutes! Only one gun per week, yes, not a problem but that ain't how we roll. At this time I'm trying to stay with one gun per weekend until we're a little deeper into the season.

 

[Will Henry]

Short answer. No. WH

 

[odie]

You want to shoot 2 classes on the same day? That would be a chore to swap barrels out and readjust the scope in 10-12 minutes! Only one gun per week, yes, not a problem but that ain't how we roll. At this time I'm trying to stay with one gun per weekend until we're a little deeper into the season.

Pretty easy, write down the clicks of the scope between the two barrles.
Switch the barrles click scope accordingly. Bam you are done 5 minutes tops.

 

[jimmymac]

I like the UBR concept except for one thing. Too many classes, splits the guns up.

That is interesting Jeff. I like it because of all the classes. Just about guy with gun can show up and shoot. I believe that is the number one reason people are drawn to UBR. In the end though, the vast majority end up shooting custom or Unlimited. The more the merrier.

 

[majohnson]

What modifications could be done to the action to make barrel changes easier?

 

[Shooter13]

What modifications could be done to the action to make barrel changes easier?

With the pressures they run probably nothing!

 

[Shooter13]

Pretty easy, write down the clicks of the scope between the two barrles.
Switch the barrles click scope accordingly. Bam you are done 5 minutes tops.

Do you have a barrel vice mounted to truck hitch or?

 

[WSnyder]

Do you have a barrel vice mounted to truck hitch or?

A couple of c-clamps, an old school Davidson style barrel vise and a bench at the range. It's been done this way for a really long time and no biggie to do on a BR rifle.

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