You're the one stating things so matter of factly. The truth is none of us know for certain and yes, I thought I was clear that this was just my opinion. It's supported by logic and by the fact that UBR seems to be the only short range BR game seeing growth. Another fact for you is that I would be one of those that would shoot more group matches if I could shoot my existing equipment in group. It's not hard to understand. You don't have to like it...it's just how I see it. Again, you're being very direct and rude about something you really don't know.
Should LV and HV Classes Be Merged?
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It's pointless to argue with you period but especially about something you don't know anything at all about. Your presence will be greatly missed at UBR matches, I'm sure, though.
AlNyhus
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I do think there's potential for a class that new shooters that already have the gun and equipment. F-Class or the LR Light class shooters seem like the logical box to check.
Then again...thinking back to the 'gas gun class' debacle in BR....Aerosmith may just have it right.
Then again...thinking back to the 'gas gun class' debacle in BR....Aerosmith may just have it right.
mike you are showing your narrow mindedness when you say "know nothing about"ubr" becuse i do not shoot ubr..ii also do not race nascar, do not play in the nfl or womens volley ball..but i do know a lot about each..WITHOUT EVER PLAYING .
its only an argument when YOU quit discussing
its only an argument when YOU quit discussing
lawman29
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But there is in golf......
Well...I quit.
BoydAllen
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If someone says that he will compete if the rules are changed, based on experience, I do not believe him. People who want to compete, will find a way, and no matter what is done, no matter what they say, those that have the means and don't typically won't. I get particularly irritated when people who I know have been offered the use of equipment so that they can try a sport, decline and then carry on about rule changes. The expansion in benchrest typically happens from club score matches that include various classes, starting with factory, including modified, and full custom. If someone is really interested in competition, organizing one of these sorts of events does not require much. Once shooters have gotten a taste, they can decide if they want to progress to more technical and demanding versions of bench shooting.
The best point of UBR is, there is no 26 page threads of bitchin'
about rules. Imagine that ??
docmusk19
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Merging into one HV class would be great.
I’m stuck 17oz over LV and arguably cannot afford a different stock. Even if I had one, I would shoot this in both LV and HV. Could I cut off 2” and flute every barrel? Yes - but that is an annoying solution.
PRS an tactical shooters will age, but we won’t see those humans trickle into benchrest for 10+ years.
If NBRSA and IBS leaders were as wise as they thought they were, they would be making changes that combat the participation problem.
All of this coming from a 28yo shooter viewing this with a new set of eyes. I am the future of this sport (maybe). Not making it “easier” to participate is keeping me from participating. Keep it simple, stupid.
I’m stuck 17oz over LV and arguably cannot afford a different stock. Even if I had one, I would shoot this in both LV and HV. Could I cut off 2” and flute every barrel? Yes - but that is an annoying solution.
PRS an tactical shooters will age, but we won’t see those humans trickle into benchrest for 10+ years.
If NBRSA and IBS leaders were as wise as they thought they were, they would be making changes that combat the participation problem.
All of this coming from a 28yo shooter viewing this with a new set of eyes. I am the future of this sport (maybe). Not making it “easier” to participate is keeping me from participating. Keep it simple, stupid.
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I actually helped run club group matches for a few years before getting into registered ibs score matches, then UBR. So, you must be talking about someone else. Lol!
You are missing a big piece of the puzzle too Boyd. In my case, there are several score matches nearby. I could shoot most weekends. I've built guns around THESE matches. So, not only will I need to build dedicated equipment for group, I'd literally have to drive by a score match to continue driving for about 3 additional hours...to the closest group match. Thats a bit different than finding a way to compete when I'm already competing, just not in group.. Believe that! Lol!
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JEFFPPC
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But Mike, in group you only need to shoot 4 good shots, lol.
AlNyhus
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At the NBRSA 100-200 Score tournament in Webster City, Iowa May 20-21, we had a nice young couple there... Eric and Wendy. They were shooting BR for the first time. They had become acquainted with Mike Bigelow when in Iowa going to school. Now they are doing their internships. They both have a burning desire to learn about accurate rifles and what it takes to shoot them in a competitive environment.
Mike Bigelow and Randy Robinett both gave up a day of competing and provided each of them with a competitive BR gun, rests, ammo, flags...in short, everything they needed. They coached them on Friday's practice day and on Saturday and Sunday's tournament days. Eric and Wendy impressed everyone with their desire, positive attitude and in general just being nice people to be around.
Hats off to Mike and Randy for stepping up and mentoring the next generation of BR shooters. Well done!
The critical importance of coachs and mentors cannot be overstated. This is very similar to how I got my start. There was a group of guys shooting the TCL Hunter Benchrest Postal Match series at the range I belong to. I had been working hard on the accuracy of my 'dog guns and predator rigs. Jim Minnig and Lynn Hansen took note of me being there quite a bit with one cobbled together wind flag and invited me to join their team in the postal matches with whatever equipment I had. So, I showed up with my 243 Ackley, turned the scope down to 6 power and tried to find my way around a Score target. If it hadn't been for Jim and Lynn, it's doubtful I'd ever taken the step on my own.
Good shootin' -Al
Mike Bigelow and Randy Robinett both gave up a day of competing and provided each of them with a competitive BR gun, rests, ammo, flags...in short, everything they needed. They coached them on Friday's practice day and on Saturday and Sunday's tournament days. Eric and Wendy impressed everyone with their desire, positive attitude and in general just being nice people to be around.
Hats off to Mike and Randy for stepping up and mentoring the next generation of BR shooters. Well done!
The critical importance of coachs and mentors cannot be overstated. This is very similar to how I got my start. There was a group of guys shooting the TCL Hunter Benchrest Postal Match series at the range I belong to. I had been working hard on the accuracy of my 'dog guns and predator rigs. Jim Minnig and Lynn Hansen took note of me being there quite a bit with one cobbled together wind flag and invited me to join their team in the postal matches with whatever equipment I had. So, I showed up with my 243 Ackley, turned the scope down to 6 power and tried to find my way around a Score target. If it hadn't been for Jim and Lynn, it's doubtful I'd ever taken the step on my own.
Good shootin' -Al
AlNyhus
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Dave, I've always felt that IBS/NBRSA is missing the boat by not offering a 'HBR Group' class for the 6 power guns. It would be a hoot to shoot! The customers are already there and it would boost things on both sides of the program...Group and Score.
Hope the 'Crusher' is workin' good for 'ya.
-AlGreg@wfcustom
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Apparently not only haven't you ever shot UBR, you also have no idea what its about and a very limited understanding of logic, physics and possibly anything other then being a keyboard shooter.
Your lack of knowledge and reason is self evident, as is your aggressive insecurity.
Have a wonderful day!
G
rjtfroggy
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For all of you that still want to answer this guy's post DON'T BOTHER he has been BANNED forever.
Greg@wfcustom
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KMart
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Again???
AND: “the difficulty of winning a 2-Gun aggregate is what keeps others away”
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