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should I get a 7mm backcountry?

Thinking about building a short barreled do it all rifle recently. I wonder what do you guys think about the 7mm bc? I originally wanted a 20 inches 300wsm, but the velocity trade off kind of turn me off, I know it is more than adequate, especially I don`t hunt long range, but still want the extra "juice" to be there in case I need it. I looked into 7mm bc, not a big fan because I can`t reload for it, and factory load can`t seem to get the desired accuracy.

I contacted federal, they told me the reloading component is in the final stage to be released, which is a good news. what do you think? Anther concern is, even if they can be reloaded, with the higher case pressure, is it tunable like the brass case cartridge?

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Could neck up the 300 WSM to 338 cal or maybe a 338 SAUM Improved using 250gr bullets. Both would hit with more authority than any 7mm offering.

338 bore does better than 7mm bore with fast burning powders as well so you might be able to make up for lost velocity on a 20” barrel
 
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When you say "do it all" rifle what game species do you intend to hunt?

The problem with short barrel magnum cartridges is that for them to perform to full potential, they need slow burning powders which needs 24-to-26"-barrel lengths to achieve published velocities. Otherwise, you are pushing a lot of unburned powder out of the muzzle.

Unless you are hunting dangerous game, i.e. grizzly bears, with today's modern bonded bullets, it's hard to imagine why a 308 Winchester with a 22" barrel couldn't "do most of it all" in the back country of the US especially since you said you don't shoot long range.

My best friend took a 5x4 Elk in Colorado in 2022 with a 60-year-old Model 88 Winchester in 308 using 165 grain Nosler Accubond factory ammo. It was one shot kill at 178 years. He has taken three black bears in PA and a large number of large deer with the same rifle.
 
I don't see a big advantage to the 7BC, other than being able to use it with the suppressor. As far as the reloading side of it goes, I'd be perfectly willing to let it ride for a year or two to see what happens once the dies to do it get out there. But, if you have the bug to get one, just get something that is easy to rebarrel, that you really like.
 
And it's going to do what exactly at short range that the 7mm-08 can't do?
Especially when running a short barrel and suppressor?
it’ll have 200 fps over the 7-08 w/ 20” and 140-150’s (more?). I just know I built a couple shorts for guys and they turned out to be their favorites. Both 18 and 20”. Also more than a couple 6.5PRC, and a 300 WSM w/ 20” barrel for suppressed and intermediate length action. That one shot over 20 head of game in Africa using the 175 Terminal Ascent and did an incredible job. I personally try to talk them into 22” barrels at least but several guys are going to 18 even and are happy with their choices. All mag cartridges, no standard bf.

Your comment is EXACTLY what I told them to build when they wanted a 20” barrel…they went w/ 7 RSAUM and are planning more along those same lines.
 
it’ll have 200 fps over the 7-08 w/ 20” and 140-150’s (more?). I just know I built a couple shorts for guys and they turned out to be their favorites. Both 18 and 20”. Also more than a couple 6.5PRC, and a 300 WSM w/ 20” barrel for suppressed and intermediate length action. That one shot over 20 head of game in Africa using the 175 Terminal Ascent and did an incredible job. I personally try to talk them into 22” barrels at least but several guys are going to 18 even and are happy with their choices. All mag cartridges, no standard bf.

Your comment is EXACTLY what I told them to build when they wanted a 20” barrel…they went w/ 7 RSAUM and are planning more along those same lines.
Just seems counter intuitive to me.
Cut the barrel down to 18-20", add a suppressor to cut down on noise. Then chamber it for a magnum cartridge, that really wants a longer barrel and slower burning powder.

Do you get a bunch of unburnt powder in the suppressor?
 
Just seems counter intuitive to me.
Cut the barrel down to 18-20", add a suppressor to cut down on noise. Then chamber it for a magnum cartridge, that really wants a longer barrel and slower burning powder.

Do you get a bunch of unburnt powder in the suppressor?
That I have no idea, but the guys that are using them, say it’s just what they’ve wanted. Even built an 18” 6.5 PRC this last go around. Not cheap builds either, Barlein cf bbl, Gunwerks or Alterra action/stocks. I do know one uses a lot of H4350 w/ most loads.
 
Build something you can practice with and go execute quality shots on game

+ or - 100-200fps and BC don't amount to anything at close range.

$4 per shot carbon magnum wizbangers typically see very little practice time and less than optimal "field" results.
 
I dont think velocity should even be a consideration if you really want to build a short lightweight handy rifle. Just worry about accuracy.

Honestly a 6.5mm chambering might be a good choice as well just for the purposes of low recoil in a small rifle. 6.5 is very capable of anything in North America with a well placed shot using the right bullet. I have seen many big bucks and large bull elk drop like a rock in their tracks to the Berger 6.5mm 140gr bullets over the last 20 years.
 
I get the oh you can shoot 6 hogs cause your gun is quite crowd.lmao not really to funny

I'll stick to 26" barrel and velocity.i don't care what hears me pull the trigger.lol

I don't need a short handy rifle with something hanging off the end.no one else does either

Call me an old fudd idk just common sense
 
Don't listen to the guy's building 600 yard and beyond guns if your talking 500 and in. Iwould never build a 26" barreled gun for hunting inside 500 yards.

The velocity gain is not worth the trade off for accuracy in a field gun, better ballance, and at least a pound in wieght!1000006258.jpg

I would stick to Standard Brass, skip the magnum. I built what I considered what you are, a one gun for any big game. I'm talking inside 400, to maybe 500 in the right sittuation, on anything from Antelope and Deer to Elk. But if it ever became a chance, have enough for Grizzlies, to Moose inside 200 to 300 on the long end.

I chose a 338/06, and 20 1/4" barrel. It gets just north of 3000fps with the 180's, over 2870 with 200 grain, and 270fps with 225 grain bullets. And all shoot to the same POI!
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Those groups were all shot from a clean cold barrel, and all were 1" for 5 shots, the 180 grain bullet load was 3 and under 5/8". But those were just finishing up barrel break in, trying fifferent loads.

Those longer barrels will shoot as good, but not if you change powder and bullet weight like the shorter will. And yes it will do better with a worked up load, the 180 Accubond is the only one I have dialed in so far. Bottom right bull, 3 shots, clean cold barrel, and right at 3000fps @ 100 yards. 1000006406.jpg

But then to prove it, i shot two seperate shots at 236 yards on a steel gong, both shots were from a clean cold barrel! After all that is what counts from a hunting rifle.
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I have never built a big game rifle with a barrel under 22" most have been 24", and i have built a few, or I should say, had them built. But none of those other rifles would shoot as consitent as this, and none were as reliable with that first shot!

But if I was you, I would go with your first thought on the shorter barrel. And as far as cartridge, I couldn't be happier with the 338/06. But whatever caliber you choose, make sure you chose one that will give you 90%+ load density, with medium burning rate powders like, Varget or N140. You will be happy, I know I was!
 
Don't listen to the guy's building 600 yard
Why limit yourself? Why not be versatile? I hunt Montana, Nevada, Colorado, N.M and Wyoming and each have there challenges when I take a gun I want it capable of doing the job I ask of it not limit myself to 500 but I guess that's just me.
 
Why limit yourself? Why not be versatile? I hunt Montana, Nevada, Colorado, N.M and Wyoming and each have there challenges when I take a gun I want it capable of doing the job I ask of it not limit myself to 500 but I guess that's just me.
Why, he already said he is never taking shots that far. I've built 300 win mags, and 338 win mags, again, I didnt build them, those were built by Fred Sinclar, trued 700's, McMillan stocks, and those wore 24" barrels! Very nice rifles, and the 300 was best for longer range with flatter shooting,,,,, BUT.

It would only give up 100 to 120 fps over a 24" barrel going to a 20" in that 300 win mag. That is not enough to see a differance in inside 400 yards without a cronagraph.to me 400 and in is what I would consider medium range, with 500 and over long range.

But at 100 to bit over 200 yards where he don't have time on most opertunities to spend much time stting up a shot, that 20" barrel is a lot more forgiving, with much easier and faster to get into a good enough position to make the shot.

But like I pointed out, I have never had a rifle so forgiving shooting various loads, weight bullets, or ease of getting off shots that shoot to the same point of aim as this little barrel. Why would he bother with the extra bagage, powder, weight, and more ruley handeling of the longer barrel on a gun he will never use. Thats like buying a diesel truck to haul a briefcase back and forth to the city everyday. Just chit most do to pound the hair off their chest!
 
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