You aren't looking for answers. You want to argue with everyone responding to your questions. Everything is made to +/- dimensions. This has been ongoing for 11 days and neither Hornady or Lapua has contacted youIs there a reason you avoid answering questions?
You aren't looking for answers.
This has been ongoing for 11 days and neither Hornady or Lapua has contacted you![]()
The maximum and minimum SAAMI specs are recommendations for manufacturers, not official numbers.
How accurate and repeatable is that caliper you are using? Looking at the photo you posted, it appears you are pushing pretty hard on the thumbwheel.
Edit: The anvil base attached to your caliper is also made to a +/- dimension.
The number you are using is roughly 1/64". Do you honestly believe that is going to be a heart breaker in that factory chamber?
The average human hair is .004The way you have that bullet seated in the case certainly appears to exceed the recommended COL. Whether the case/neck is at SAAMI maximum, or, below SAAMI minimum, you are trying to exceed the recommended COL.
I bet that is frustrating. New brass shouldn't be that short of minimum like the Hornady. But .012" isn't uncommon. I always considered short brass a blessing but have never seen it so short I couldn't seat a bullet properly. And I do measure my new brass. Before and after sizing, and after each firing. Like you say the Barnes is an even longer bullet for weight and it is too short. Any chance the throat is shot out or cut too long? Cerosafe the chamber and throat. Just looking at the pictures that seems awfully long to function in the magazine in that cartridge. But I don't shoot that round. Still that doesn't get your new brass up to a minimum usable spec.
Is there any chance the anvil base is messing the measurement? Or the knife edge pressing into the neck surface giving a short measurement? I'm just thinking if it were my problem. What does that old brass you chambered for headspace measure? And without the anvil at random measurements?
Maybe speak to someone and get them to measure the next lot of brass before you buy to be sure it isn't also too short. Good luck it sounds frustrating short of rechambering your barrel.
Standards… nothing mandatory. "supposedly" WOW. You expect to exceed the "SAMMI" OAL. What exactly are you trying to accomplish with a factory chambering?Yes, I am. Relevant answers. If I'm wasting my time looking for on-spec virgin brass or even brass that is a little closer to on-spec, that's something I want to know and it's the kind of answer that people with experience with virgin brass might be able to provide. Isn't it SOP to measure virgin brass before and after the first FLS? And isn't it reasonable to expect it to be on-spec?
A few people have been stating the obvious. Some have been confused about what it means for brass to be below minimum spec. Some seem to have been making excuses for the off-spec brass manufacturers. And one seems to be fretting over how long a thread he doesn't need to be reading is getting.
Hornady has. They gave me an RMA, but what would be the point in shipping the brass back and getting a credit if there is no source of on-spec brass available?
So it's okay to ignore standards they've committed to via membership in SAAMI because they aren't "official numbers"? SAAMI membership is just an excuse for attending conferences in resort cities?
It's supposedly accurate to +- .001" and it seems highly repeatable. I was demonstrating the measurement method per request, but I had to hold the camera in my other hand so I had to put some pressure on the thumbwheel to keep the case from falling out, but it really wasn't all that much.
That's why I zero the caliper after installing the base.
Probably not, but I want to be doing what I reasonably can to shoot as accurately as possible with a factory rifle. The producers of off-spec brass are making it difficult to discover whether I'm missing out an accuracy that on-spec brass could provide. Agreed?
Why would I worry about exceeding COL? As long as the bullet doesn't fall out of the case or get jammed in the magazine and gets the best accuracy I can give it, I'm okay with exceeding the COL. I'm not a member of SAAMI. Hornady is. I haven't committed to adherence to SAAMI standards. Hornady supposedly has, but only to the extent that they will refund a purchase if you call them out for failing to.
What exactly are you trying to accomplish with a factory chambering?
Going to cut through all the haze, FOMH. You bought a rifle for a military round that's been in existence and rifles manufactured for it since 1894. Here's one from 1902.
https://www.gunbroker.com/item/740807733
I can guarantee you, the makers of that rifle didn't consult CIP or SAAMI when it was made. The chamber could be who knows what length. Brass made for this round has to fit rifles that were around for over 100 years. If you have the blueprints and the ACTUAL historic specifications for this round FROM THE FACTORY and not some internet mumbo jumbo, then you can say for certain your brass is defective. Brass manufacturers MUST, if they want to be off the hook for liability make brass to fit every 6.5 Swede known to mankind and built since 1894. If that brass is just .005 too long and constricts the bullet in the throat/lead, chamber pressures can be exceeded and in an old rifle be catastrophic. I suggest you purchase another rifle with a cartridge that is POST-SAAMI. Then and only then will you have a complaint about short brass.
Speech is over. Get a mentor. You, sir, are chasing rainbows.
Edit: You ARE wasting your time looking for SAAMI or CIP spec brass for ANY military cartridge made before SAAMI or CIP.
Yes it is, in my experience. Get used to it. Use the short brass for fowlers. dedogsIs this normal for all virgin brass or is this just a Hornady thing?
If you want the answer to your question then youll have to find them out yourself. No one will help you at this point.
Yes it is, in my experience. Get used to it. Use the short brass for fowlers. dedogs
55mm is 55mm. Correct? It was 55mm back in 1894. Correct?
I really can't answer that question. I don't think I have fired any factory ammunition in the last 35 or 40 years. Can't remember. dedogsis it also true with brass from manufactured ammo?
You need to check your attitude at the door if you expect to continue getting help/advice on this forum. Several times I almost walked away from some of your responses. dedogsI got my answer and some other info from this thread
Do you actually believe that a rifle made in 1894 and the brass made for it was made to SAAMI specs? How do you know their tolerances weren't minus .060 or minus .050 on the chamber, reamer or brass? C'mon man, let's get real here. Again, you are chasing rainbows. Please re-read my post. You aren't comprehending what I said.
The C.I.P. spec for the 6.5X55 SE and the SAAMI spec for the 6.5X55 Swedish were based on the United Kingdom of Sweden and Norway's joint military specs. The cartridge design came first. The chambers for those military rifles were designed to meet the cartridge spec. The 55mm was the case length, not the chamber length. And it was not 54.102mm (2.130").