I don't hate either one of them...if they help to save me some of the time and money I have already wasted testing for why a rifle wont shoot I'll kiss the SOB's if I ever do meet them!!!!
Scope Check
- Thread starter sdean
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I don't hate either one of them...if they help to save me some of the time and money I have already wasted testing for why a rifle wont shoot I'll kiss the SOB's if I ever do meet them!!!!
Cloudrepair
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I can't wait to get one now and just as worried all of my scopes will have issue..
The highest dollar scope I have is a 1,000 dollar Leupold.
Anyone test any leupolds yet? You could pm me if unwilling to post on this thread.
The highest dollar scope I have is a 1,000 dollar Leupold.
Anyone test any leupolds yet? You could pm me if unwilling to post on this thread.
BoydAllen
Gold $$ Contributor
This was some time back....BM (before March) Lou Murdica bought eight brand new 45x x 45mm fixed power Leupold Competition scopes and tested them all using a Hood checker and a reliable reference scope (Tucker modified 36x Leupold with a solid rod instead of the usual coil spring and plunger). Half of the scopes moved (and half did not) Of the ones that moved, not all moved immediately, but they all moved in the same direction. The magnitude of movement was in the range of .020 to .060 on target at 100 yards. One thing to remember is that short range group shooting has gotten very near the top of the equipment curve, and because of that, and the nature of the sport, any movement is undesirable. On the other hand, for the other 99% it would not be able to be seen, because of the other limits on accuracy that various types of shooting impose.
Remove the eye variable too.
youtu.be/npdQ7ROgOPQ
FWIW, I don't have a scope checker yet, but as soon as somebody says "your checker is ready" I will. I currently have a Leupold Mark 4 M1 that has been my "go to" scope to check rifles and to rule out other scopes. I've had this one for quite a while and it has always held zero. Kind of been my "de facto" scope checker all this time. I don't know if Leupold does something different with the turrets or erector tube in the Mark 4's , but the ones I have had never had trouble holding zero.
This whole scope checker thing is kind of like a borescope...you want to see it for yourself, but then sometimes you don't want to know...like the joke about the wife that died and left her husband $1000 and an ear of corn...
she left him a note to look in the trunk up in the attic. He finds $1000 and an ear of corn. He figured she saved her spare change the entire marriage, but could not figure out the ear. He finally passed away and meets her in the after life. He asked about the ear of corn and she said "you don't want to know" but he insist. She tells him that every time she cheated she put an ear of corn in the trunk. At first he was mad but then figures "once in all those years isn't too bad, what about the $1000????" She said, "I got about $7.00 a bushel for the corn!!!!"
Every scope I own will test bad!!!!!!!
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"Regarding the dual pic-rail "scope checker" which appears to mount on another picatinny or weaver rail, it seems to create more questions than it solves."
It just gets better as it goes!
It just gets better as it goes!
Jet
Gold $$ Contributor
I don't know if the Leupold Mark 4 has anything better than the other brands but I had one take a dump on me a couple weeks ago on a rifle at work.
The initial testing has prove to me that everything must be proven and verified.
Rich
I am surprised to hear that...I guess anything can go bad. I just always stuck to the Mark 4 fixed 10X because back in the late 80's early 90's that was the scope everyone was using on all the then new 50 cal bmg bolt guns. I figured if it would hold zero on a 50 cal it should work for my 308. It was also one of the first scopes you could get with mil-dots. Premier Reticles put the mil dot reticle in them.
Let me ask this...is there a particular scope that:
A. Is easy or easier than others to lock up solid for use as a test base??? and
B. Don't cost too terrible much money???
....we don't need the thing to be made with Schott glass a 34mm tube and special coatings for testing.
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Alex Wheeler
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Id love to test the leupold 7-42 if someone wants to send one out....
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Raythemanroe
Bullet Whisperer
I've been thinking on this too . on what scope to use for the test standard without spending a million bucks . a few years ago Burris made a scope with a set screw to lock , or hold , the scope setting . I think it was called posiloc . I think this was available in the signature line of scopes . the idea of it was you let the screw loose until you had it sighted in , then you tightened the set screw to hold the scope settings . I'm sure you would need to verify the scope held zero after tightening the screw .
Alex Wheeler
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I wish someone would come up with a way to install a posi loc in a comp scope. The glass is so excellent, if we could lock them down they would be perfect. HINT! If it doesnt happen I may just have to try it myself eventually.
You could make a bunch of money if you could figure it out. I got one but I believe it is rock solid. I have it on a heavygun and the gun tracks. Matt
BoydAllen
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They have....a long time ago. Scroll down the page to the next to the last item.
http://www.6mmbr.com/BlogSept2005.html I took pictures and did a write up that was more extensive that appeared on Benchrest Central and 6mmBR .com but it appears that this is all that is left.
Beyond that, you might check with Bob Brackney. He Freezes Comp scopes and makes an external adjustment mount.
Alex Wheeler
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Boyd, I meant I want someone other than me to drill into the side of a NF comp 15x55 scope and install a posi-loc screw. Then we would have the scope we all want.
BoydAllen
Gold $$ Contributor
In the past I have seen an article that featured xrays of several different scopes. It would be interesting to see what xrays of the 15-55 would show in the area of the turrets. I forget, does that scope have a coil spring and plunger that serves to oppose the turrets? If it does, a modification of that feature might get you where you want to go without drilling any new holes.
Could be my imagination, but it seems that there are more 15x55 Comp scopes up for sale in the past couple weeks. If this is because of the perception that there is something universally "bad" about them or that they are somehow unfixable, I really don't get it. Anything mechanical will eventually fail. The NF Comp scopes are turning 4 years old and many, mine for sure, have been shot quite a bit. It stands to reason that some would develop problems. I bought NF scopes because of the warranty and I'm sure NF will fix whatever is not functioning properly. So, what's the problem? Looks like a good time to get a good deal on a NF Competition.
Rick
Rick
Alex Wheeler
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They dont have the exposed coil spring on this one. I asked Cecil Tucker if he would be willing to look at them maybe 6 months or longer ago. He declined. Cant blame him.
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